hi everyone. i'm Patrick living in Belgium and riding a Monster 696 with Akra silincers and racing CDI

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this winter a want convert my bike to singleside one. a have done some research yet and found wat i needed. But one question remaens and that is the speedsensor who will be replaced to the one off a 1100 and reading 4 pulse at one turn instead of 6 pulse. i have reading that if i disconnect the battery for a while and than connect again the ICU whil read the new sensor is that correct. thanks for any respons.
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this winter a want convert my bike to singleside one. a have done some research yet and found wat i needed. But one question remaens and that is the speedsensor who will be replaced to the one off a 1100 and reading 4 pulse at one turn instead of 6 pulse. i have reading that if i disconnect the battery for a while and than connect again the ICU whil read the new sensor is that correct. thanks for any respons.
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Hello and welcome but why not just get a 796 or 1100 with the SSA ex factory ? Probably cheaper in the long run and having ridden all 3 I think the bigger bikes are nicer to ride too.
 
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Welcome Patrick, I don't think the 696 ecu will be compatible with the 1100 rear end and speed sensor, the ECU will count the pulses for wheel rotation to determine speed. The 696 is a great little bike, I recently serviced full including belt and desmo, did some upgrades for my mates wife monster.
I would leave the 696 as is and as Duke suggested get yourself a 796, 796+, 1100 or if can stretch it a new model 937, awesome machine. HTH
 
Doesn’t the actual sensor just count or get a pulse from a trigger
Like a bolt head or magnet type thingy
So either sensor would count the same amount of pulses
I.E if you have 4 trigger points it would count 4
If you had 6 trigger points it would count 6

Please feel free to ignore this if I’m talking bollocks
Or bask in my radiant glory if I’m correct 😵‍💫
 
Doesn’t the actual sensor just count or get a pulse from a trigger
Like a bolt head or magnet type thingy
So either sensor would count the same amount of pulses
I.E if you have 4 trigger points it would count 4
If you had 6 trigger points it would count 6

Please feel free to ignore this if I’m talking bollocks
Or bask in my radiant glory if I’m correct 😵‍💫
Yes it does count the pulses of electricity generated as each pole passes under the sensor. However as the ECU is programmed to interprete 6 pulses as a complete wheel revolution but if the SSSA model only has 4 poles the ECU will treat 1.5 revolutions, ie 6 pulses, as a single revolution, thus, the displayed speed will be 2/3rds of that which the bike is actually doing and the miles/km covered will be 2/3rds of that actually covered.

Welcome @PatrickDS 👋 as others suggested, just buy an SSSA version to start with. It will be cheaper in the long term.
 
Yes it does count the pulses of electricity generated as each pole passes under the sensor. However as the ECU is programmed to interprete 6 pulses as a complete wheel revolution but if the SSSA model only has 4 poles the ECU will treat 1.5 revolutions, ie 6 pulses, as a single revolution, thus, the displayed speed will be 2/3rds of that which the bike is actually doing and the miles/km covered will be 2/3rds of that actually covered.

Welcome @PatrickDS 👋 as others suggested, just buy an SSSA version to start with. It will be cheaper in the long term.
Yeah I was right ,

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I don’t think so …..
Did too , said the sensor just counted what it saw
The actual sensor would count whatever was in front of it
The ecu is told it needs 4 or 6
If you swapped the sensor from one to the other ( assuming they mechanically fit) it would count the trigger points
 
I agree with Bob the sensor is a dumb device and just puts out a small pulse each time the trigger passes it whether bolt heads or what ever. It is the ecu(cpu?) that decides what to do with the pulses so a different number just screws up the input so speed ,gas consumption and ABS are all affected.
So you need the correct matching bits or to know how to reprogram the beast within,but that may even be different for ABS.And if you change the cpu then think about changing the front ABS as well to match.
In the end very expensive or just downright dangerous.
 
So the op wants to change to a single side swing arm with only 4 trigger points , from a twin arm with 6 triggers
Could he attach 2 extra triggers and then the ecu would still see 6
Or do the triggers need to be equidistant
 
Nice setup maannnn! with the Monster 696 and Akras. The speed sensor just sends pulses, but the ECU expects a certain number. Switching from 6 to 4 pulses will throw off readings unless the ECU is adjusted. Curious to see how your single-sided conversion works out.
 
So the op wants to change to a single side swing arm with only 4 trigger points , from a twin arm with 6 triggers
Could he attach 2 extra triggers and then the ecu would still see 6
Or do the triggers need to be equidistant
They need to be equidistant. It’s the time lapse between each pulse point that enables the ECU to determine the speed. It doesn’t just go ‘ah, that’s 4 (or 6) pulses so that must be one complete revolution’.
 
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