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Don't mention that to DOX as he is a holocaust denierit was all made up by all the troops that liberated the camps evidently
Oops. too late
I doubt many parts of the official story - that is different to being a holocaust denier.
The argument you're using is the same as saying to those of us who doubt the official line on man made global warming, that we are climate deniers.
Vegans and cyclists will literally squeeze their boring shit into every conversationThought that was veganjust sayin
The original blueprint construction drawings for the Auschwitz complex still exist. When the Red army captured the camp on January 27 1945 the Nazis had largely destroyed much of the camp and burned the camp journals and all routine paperwork and records. But Auschwitz II (Birkenau) was still largely intact and the SS had forgotten to destroy the building at Birkenau that housed the construction archive.
The drawings and written specification notes for the Auschwitz complex drawn up by SS-Neubauabteilung (SS New Build Department, the SS facilities design team) in 1941 are unequivocal. The camp was designed to facilitate the mass execution and disposal of people. Auschwitz was built in three stages. Originally victims were to be shot and buried in mass grave pits. But this process was too slow, too labour intensive and took up too much space. As the complex grew with Auschwitz II the SS-Naubeuabteilung was augmented with the SS-Sondarbauleitung (SS Special Construction Management), tasked with implementing the New Build Department's designs. The two departments were then merged into the Zentalbauleitung to streamline the operation and speed up the lead time on construction. Banks of ovens were added and are described in the planning drawings as crematoria with gas chambers added later, also fully documented and refered to as gas chambers.
It is true that Auschwitz did not emerge fully formed in one go as an industrial complex for the gassing and incineration of human beings, but it evolved into that as the Nazis sought to make their operation of mass murder and disposal more efficient. The construction drawings, method statements and schedule of works still survive, including detailed calculations of how many people could be "processed" per day by the installation and how this number could be increased by improving the design.
The integrated gas chambers and crematoria went into full operation between March 22 and June 25 1943. The Zentralbauleitung's calculations show that they had designed the crematoria to burn up to 4,416 corpses per day, 1,440 each in crematoria I and II and 768 each in crematoria III and IV. Or 1.6 million corpses per year.
Surviving prisoners who had been forced to man the ovens, probably burning thir own relatives, reported after liberation that in fact the daily burn rate was nearer 8000 as they were forced to cram in smaller bodies two at a time.
These documents, captured and preserved by the Red Army and fully authenticated by historians, victims, witnesses and those SS officials involved in their creation who were captured and later put on trial, are on display at the Yad Vashem World Holocaust Remembrance Centre.
I'm not getting into a back and forth on this as I know some have emotional ties to the war.
But having seen how recent events are created, manipulated, and portrayed as truth in the face of documented photographic and video eveidence to the contrary, I have no difficulty in personally believing that events from 80 years ago could have been invented; embellished; rewritten; forged and exagerated, and to a large degree.
Rational thought suggests that a concentration camp for workers to man the IG Farben would have been more useful than a dedicated extermination factory built next door to some massive industrial premises.
History is full of lies about WMDs, gas attacks on countries own populations etc, and non more grotesque than what we're told to believe from WW2.
But having seen how recent events are created, manipulated, and portrayed as truth in the face of documented photographic and video eveidence to the contrary, I have no difficulty in personally believing that events from 80 years ago could have been invented; embellished; rewritten; forged and exagerated, and to a large degree.
Rational thought suggests that a concentration camp for workers to man the IG Farben would have been more useful than a dedicated extermination factory built next door to some massive industrial premises.
History is full of lies about WMDs, gas attacks on countries own populations etc, and non more grotesque than what we're told to believe from WW2.
What are they trying to hide?
www.bbc.co.uk
Germany's 'Nazi Grandma' given jail term for Holocaust denial
After an initial sentence for Holocaust denial she handed out leaflets to those attending court.
www.bbc.co.uk
The pamphlet was titled, "the truth will set you free"What are they trying to hide?
Germany's 'Nazi Grandma' given jail term for Holocaust denial
After an initial sentence for Holocaust denial she handed out leaflets to those attending court.
Wasn't it more like "work will set you free"?
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What are they trying to hide?
Germany's 'Nazi Grandma' given jail term for Holocaust denial
After an initial sentence for Holocaust denial she handed out leaflets to those attending court.
Truth doesn’t need protecting.
‘to understand who rules over you, realise who you can’t criticise’.
I'm not going to labour this topic either and I won't engage on it again. I'm certainly not going to allow my input to degenerate into a pointless slanging match with you or any other member whose contributions I generally enjoy and with whom I'm often in broad agreement on many topics (though not this one) just for the sake of having the last word in a social media exchange that will serve no purpose. I was born in 1967 to a mother and father who were born in 1924 and 1933 respectively. Their childhoods and lives were defined by the abomination of the holocaust and the catastrophe of WW2. Particularly my father, whose family had strong German connections and who studied music in 1950's Germany and Austria as a post graduate when the ruins were still smoking and bodies from places like Auschwitz were still being exhumed, and who spent the rest of his life trying to rationalise the enormous civility of the high Germanic culture of his studies and family history with the wreckage, destruction and unholy crimes he witnessed on the ground. And so, to a degree removed, even though I was not there, was mine.
Enough now. Onwards to happier topics.
That’s the beauty of this forum - people can agree to disagree, and instead appreciate the things we do agree on
I posted the picture of the sign because I found it poignant and as a reminder of the reason it should not be forgotten regardless of people’s thoughts and beliefs.
I was based in Hohne as part of 32 Engineer Regiment in the late 90’s. The barracks in which I lived was the German barracks which served Bergen-Belsen Camp and backed onto Bergen-Belsen which I visited a number of times when family visited and it was indeed a place to stir emotions.
I was based in Hohne as part of 32 Engineer Regiment in the late 90’s. The barracks in which I lived was the German barracks which served Bergen-Belsen Camp and backed onto Bergen-Belsen which I visited a number of times when family visited and it was indeed a place to stir emotions.
I respect what you said in the first several lines. I have my opinions and everyone has theirs, sometimes we agree and sometimes not. I left all my other forums/social media because even the slightest disagreement could and did result in threats, ad hominum attacks and people wanting to fight in real life for BS said on the internet. This groups ability to be diverse yet still be friendly and helpful to each other is why I finally joined to participate in the exchange of info and ideas. Salude to all of you for not only being adults but acting like one! Please dont change the dynamics of this forum as it is a rare oasis on an internet full of volcanoes ready to blow up at a single statement.
Joking aside I couldn't agree more. There are some really strong characters on this forum and some very thick skins. Having had the privilege of meting up with a few of them I can assure you that they are even better in person.
You're missing 50% of the forums content and most of the banter by not being a subscribing member
So I'd like people more if I unsubscribed ? InterestingYou're missing 50% of the forums content and most of the banter by not being a subscribing member
MongSo I'd like people more if I unsubscribed ? Interesting
Shut up!
When I decide to join here, I had been lurking in mordor for a couple of years without joining. I knew many on here, from over there but that site had too many who seemed to want to fight, argue or just be offended. You all left and I was wondering where you had run off to with just a few references to the other forum. I learned everything I know about repairing Ducatis from web sites and forums and had been thru all the American sites, sometimes being verbally attacked because I did not use some random posters advice and doing things different. I had to leave but needed the resources of a community with the knowledge and experience I did not have and like everyone, I enjoyed seeing the interactions between members. Once a clic formed and started harassing some of the members, who held different opinions, until they quit. That is when I found Mordor and eventually here.I dont want to change anyones mind and I certainly dont want to change the "flavor" of the site so I just tend to read whats there mostly, but being able to share the knowledge I gained is very satisfying. Just keep being who you all are and I will keep enjoying reading whats written!
I have been out of work for over a year now due to surgery and complications, I am about to return to the workforce and will join post haste!You're missing 50% of the forums content and most of the banter by not being a subscribing member
I'd imagine most people know you are so no need to draw attention to itMong
My wife and I are planning on visiting her family in Stevenage and also in Ireland, hope to buy one or more of you a pint later this year and depending on my health, possibly doing a track day where I hope as many of you will join me as geographically possable! Also, if anyone is going to be in America, New England area next year(I dont recommend it) but please let me know. I currently have 2 Ducatis so a track day is not out of the question. There are 2 great tracks 30 mins from my house and a total of 8 tracks within 3 hours travel. I have been to all but 3 of them
I'd imagine most people know you are so no need to draw attention to it
