This chap says that piston rings are made weaker now than they used to be which makes for less friction but more oil usage.
Piston rings
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Is this a euphemism 
Andy is insane!!Is this a euphemism
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No, but it may explain why we/ I burn a little more oil in our bikes.Is this a euphemism
You're not really confused are you Wayne you just hit the wrong emoji?
Have you changed the belts on your bike? I guess you must have done by now. Did you do it or A N Other?
I’ve just serviced 2 x 1260DVT bikes and both had an oil leak from the vertical cylinder valve train cover, right around where the solenoid for the exhaust OCV sits. You don’t see the oil until you remove the belt covers.
Could be just coincidence, but then again.
This seems to be on newer Ducatis as i have with older bikes 2000 2002 have not come across?
It’s only the DVT engines which have the oil control valve (OCV) at the intake & exhaust cams.
The OCV is what lets oil in/out of the channels that feed the phase variators. The phase variators are what produces the variable valve timing.
There’s an overview here
Ducati Desmodromic Variable Timing | UP TO SPEED
ENGINE TECHNOLOGY: The next evolution of Ducati’s Desmo.
www.motorcyclistonline.com
Absolute nonsense. Sound like the sort of post the engineer of the Enterprise might make.It’s only the DVT engines which have the oil control valve (OCV) at the intake & exhaust cams.
The OCV is what lets oil in/out of the channels that feed the phase variators. The phase variators are what produces the variable valve timing.
There’s an overview here
Ducati Desmodromic Variable Timing | UP TO SPEED
ENGINE TECHNOLOGY: The next evolution of Ducati’s Desmo.
Trekkie gobbledigoop.
It’s only the DVT engines which have the oil control valve (OCV) at the intake & exhaust cams.
The OCV is what lets oil in/out of the channels that feed the phase variators. The phase variators are what produces the variable valve timing.
There’s an overview here
Ducati Desmodromic Variable Timing | UP TO SPEED
ENGINE TECHNOLOGY: The next evolution of Ducati’s Desmo.
It’s only the DVT engines which have the oil control valve (OCV) at the intake & exhaust cams.
The OCV is what lets oil in/out of the channels that feed the phase variators. The phase variators are what produces the variable valve timing.
There’s an overview here
Ducati Desmodromic Variable Timing | UP TO SPEED
ENGINE TECHNOLOGY: The next evolution of Ducati’s Desmo.
Cap'n, It's worse than I thought, the OCV has been fused and that's taken the phase variators off line. It'll take weeks to get the parts from Italy........and the only workshop manual I have is for the Lamborghini version, and that's in Romulan...
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In another 5,000 miles it will need its 3rd 90,000 km - 56,000 mile) valve check. I may just book it in with you if you can do it whilst I wait.
I think anyone could do it while you wait.
Yeah OK very funny.
I wasn't expecting that from you, It's the sort of comment A/C might make
I wasn't expecting that from you, It's the sort of comment A/C might make
I presume you’ll want to sit and watch too
? Realistically, in Elapsed time as opposed to chargeable Earth time it’s a 2 day job for a single man business to do a Desmo service on those. It could run to 3 Earth weeks if it needs a shim size I don’t have in stock for the dealers don’t carry stocks of shims for resale and they all have to be ordered in.
OK, I can see it wouldn't be practical. Being a cynic I find it hard to trust the dealers, not that the Ducati dealers have ever given me cause to distrust them.I presume you’ll want to sit and watch too
Realistically, in Elapsed time as opposed to chargeable Earth time it’s a 2 day job for a single man business to do a Desmo service on those. It could run to 3 Earth weeks if it needs a shim size I don’t have in stock for the dealers don’t carry stocks of shims for resale and they all have to be ordered in.
I think I'll pass on that one, thanks all the same.
that’s actually what it’s like . A bike is dropped off with me at the weekend, for eg, for a Desmo service (or any service).
I start on Monday.
I find I need some parts.
I order them Tues morning when the dealer opens (they’re closed Sun & Mon).
They don’t have them in stock.
They place an order with Ducati UK once a week, usually on a Thursday afternoon as far as i can work out.
If Ducati UK have stock they send it out Fri to Dublin.
Dublin don’t receive it until Tues when they open.
Dublin post it to me on Wednesday.
It arrives Friday, usually late afternoon/early evening. 10 days after I ordered it
. I fit it the following week.
The bike is with me 2 weeks + now.
If Ducati UK don’t have it in stock you can add at least a week for it to come from Italy
. I recently ordered 10 oil filters and 6 air filters to replenish my dwindling stock on 8/3, they didn’t arrive with me until 12/4
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That sounds like a nightmare.
A bike is dropped off with me at the weekend, for eg, for a Desmo service (or any service).
I start on Monday.
I find I need some parts.
I order them Tues morning when the dealer opens (they’re closed Sun & Mon).
They don’t have them in stock.
They place an order with Ducati UK once a week, usually on a Thursday afternoon as far as i can work out.
If Ducati UK have stock they send it out Fri to Dublin.
Dublin don’t receive it until Tues when they open.
Dublin post it to me on Wednesday.
It arrives Friday, usually late afternoon/early evening. 10 days after I ordered it
I fit it the following week.
The bike is with me 2 weeks + now.
If Ducati UK don’t have it in stock you can add at least a week for it to come from Italy
I recently ordered 10 oil filters and 6 air filters to replenish my dwindling stock on 8/3, they didn’t arrive with me until 12/4
Would it not be easier, quicker and cheaper to order directly within the EU from Italy or some other EU country?
Every used moto rapido? I've had bits sent to me in NZ in under 3 weeks...
A bike is dropped off with me at the weekend, for eg, for a Desmo service (or any service).
I start on Monday.
I find I need some parts.
I order them Tues morning when the dealer opens (they’re closed Sun & Mon).
They don’t have them in stock.
They place an order with Ducati UK once a week, usually on a Thursday afternoon as far as i can work out.
If Ducati UK have stock they send it out Fri to Dublin.
Dublin don’t receive it until Tues when they open.
Dublin post it to me on Wednesday.
It arrives Friday, usually late afternoon/early evening. 10 days after I ordered it
I fit it the following week.
The bike is with me 2 weeks + now.
If Ducati UK don’t have it in stock you can add at least a week for it to come from Italy
I recently ordered 10 oil filters and 6 air filters to replenish my dwindling stock on 8/3, they didn’t arrive with me until 12/4
We are killed with duty and brexit bollocks/tax here most dealers here are a very small set up in the UK so we tend to get lumped in as an add on to the British system but the duty isn't as bad thru the dealers whatever way the invoicing works?
He can come to us, Paul can service mine too, few new belts etc, after the community service gathering event we can go for a nice meal here in Cheltenham
It’s a possibility I have considered, to order from a dealer in Italy. However, there’s no saying they’d actually have the items in stock and by the time they got them from the factory, sent them to me by courier it would probably not be much quicker. Plus, international courier fees would bump the price up considerably. Then there’s the language barrier.
I have bought bits from them in the past, pre-Brexit, but as @TheSkitz says there’s VAT (23%) to pay on their arrival in the country, plus duty (10%) if the value is >€150 plus there’s always a risk if they don’t label the goods 100% accurately, complete with the correct customs code, that Customs in Dublin Port will just reject the package and send it back. Also, when Customs in Dublin are busy it can take ages before they contact you for payment of vat and duty. On top of that, Ducati have a set price for parts across Europe so if I buy from the dealer here it’s the same price as buying from the dealer in mainland Europe or the UK, I don’t pay any extra duty/vat/postage fees.
The main issue is what the dealers carry as stock. Bear in mind they’re all franchises, they’re not owned by Ducati (it’s the same for all marques), if you were the business owner would you want to tie up tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of €£$ in parts stock just sitting on the shelf? Rapid turnover items eg oil, filters, etc they should have but anything else why bother. I don’t blame them, I understand the situation.
There was a time when main dealers kept a huge stock of spares, you had to pay main dealer prices but you could get the stuff off the shelf.
Now they have to order stuff in and still expect to get a premium price.
I want to cut out the middle man and order direct from the factory (if the dealer doesn't want to invest in a warehouse full of parts).