The motorcycle market is falling off a cliff!!

@WAYNE I am biased as big fan of Moto Guzzi. Have you considered either a California or for something less cruiser style an 1100 Griso or 1100/1200 Breva ?

Bucket loads of character , dynamically streets ahead of a Harley and having owned several I can vouch for their reliability .
I was looking at the Griso as i liked them when they were released but got put off by the changing of the clutch, seems like a right ball ache!! It's like most Guzzi's that cluth change is basically the same faff as a car so i went off that!! Still a great looking bike and at a good price at the moment. :)
 
I was looking at the Griso as i liked them when they were released but got put off by the changing of the clutch, seems like a right ball ache!! It's like most Guzzi's that cluth change is basically the same faff as a car so i went off that!! Still a great looking bike and at a good price at the moment. :)
How often do you anticipate changing a clutch ?
 
@WAYNE I am by no means a Harley fan but if you really feel it is what will make you happy- go for it. I hope you take it/one for a long ride before you purchase. The test ride is what put me off of them even more than working on them. They use the same color wire for multiple things so tracing electrical is even more fun than normal. Add to that the lack of ground clearance and the less than great brakes and the raked out slow steering and extra weight and I was out for good. My friend on his 2015 sportster could not even keep up with my wife on her EX250r on a twisty road. Just make sure it is truly what you want before you buy. I know many people who are very happy with their Harleys and have had limited issues with their bikes, just make sure you are going to be happy with it and you and your new bike should be happy together for a long time.
 
@WAYNE I am by no means a Harley fan but if you really feel it is what will make you happy- go for it. I hope you take it/one for a long ride before you purchase. The test ride is what put me off of them even more than working on them. They use the same color wire for multiple things so tracing electrical is even more fun than normal. Add to that the lack of ground clearance and the less than great brakes and the raked out slow steering and extra weight and I was out for good. My friend on his 2015 sportster could not even keep up with my wife on her EX250r on a twisty road. Just make sure it is truly what you want before you buy. I know many people who are very happy with their Harleys and have had limited issues with their bikes, just make sure you are going to be happy with it and you and your new bike should be happy together for a long time.
Oh yeah a test ride will be the first thing i would do. I had a Indian Springfield i bought new and it was a hoot to ride, 1801cc of mental, i loved it. I had to sell it as i couldn't afford to run it, i bought it mainly for me and my x wife to go out on as she hated being on the back of my 900ie. So i have that in my mind and that had some strange American oddness! I found there threads on the bolts were shit just weak and easy to cross threads. Will see what happens. 🤷‍♂️
 
Don’t forget to figure in the cost of accessories, like tasseled jacket, handbag , chaps etc

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I found there threads on the bolts were shit just weak and easy to cross threads
That’s because they’re American imperial threads which aren’t as good as proper English imperial threads, which aren’t as good as EU metric threads.

Seriously though, like @9103 says, rude one first. I rode a Harley once, hated it. I rode another on Saturday (it had broken down I had to collect it but fixed it and rode it back to his house) still horrible to ride and that didn’t even have the feet forward position (it was a Street Rod ).

@AirCon ‘s got a point, get a Diavel.


Maybe you’ve been watching too much SoA.
 
That’s because they’re American imperial threads which aren’t as good as proper English imperial threads, which aren’t as good as EU metric threads.

Seriously though, like @9103 says, rude one first. I rode a Harley once, hated it. I rode another on Saturday (it had broken down I had to collect it but fixed it and rode it back to his house) still horrible to ride and that didn’t even have the feet forward position (it was a Street Rod ).

@AirCon ‘s got a point, get a Diavel.


Maybe you’ve been watching too much SoA.
Never watched SOA, i've been around the real deal so no need to watch made up shit!!:)
 
Never watched SOA, i've been around the real deal so no need to watch made up shit!!:)
Not trying to influence your decision but wasnt the AMF era of Harley when they all leaked oil? I know they suffer from the Harley wobble in that generation and I seem to remember transmission cases crack easily. They do make a soild aftermarket replacememt so make sure the bike you look at does not leak and has the upgraded tranny and you shouldbe good
 
Not trying to influence your decision but wasnt the AMF era of Harley when they all leaked oil? I know they suffer from the Harley wobble in that generation and I seem to remember transmission cases crack easily. They do make a soild aftermarket replacememt so make sure the bike you look at does not leak and has the upgraded tranny and you shouldbe good
If i can't get the one i'm after then i will wait for the weather to improve as we are in winter now and it sucks!!:rolleyes:
 
Nope i'm still on the same meds!! Like i said it would have to be a 1977 shovelhead, i like them!:)
If you can't decide on engine configuration, have both!

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Indian Larry's 'Chain of Mystery', one knuckle head and one pan head, one of several he built for the 'Biker Build Off' series.

Not a big fan of chopped bikes with huge forks, but saw some of Indian Larry's bikes in the flesh. Absolute works of art!

Biker Build off still available on You Tube I see, an insight into the chopper boom in the USA in the noughties!
 
If you can't decide on engine configuration, have both!

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Indian Larry's 'Chain of Mystery', one knuckle head and one pan head, one of several he built for the 'Biker Build Off' series.

Not a big fan of chopped bikes with huge forks, but saw some of Indian Larry's bikes in the flesh. Absolute works of art!

Biker Build off still available on You Tube I see, an insight into the chopper boom in the USA in the noughties!
There is a youtube video of a guy riding that. :)
 
Out of every moving component on a motorcycle me and clucthes are my nemesis along with exhaust studs!!🤷‍♂️
Sir may be interested in a Pan-european as the clutch is accessed from the front of the engine directly behind the front wheel - very accessible 🤔 although I do believe mine is still the original item at a mere 62 odd thousand miles 😁

I I'll get me coat 🤣
 
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