1098 potential problems

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hugh916

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I own a newsagents so am able to read most of the bike publications. This months BIKE mag has a big article on the 1098. Usual Ducati Vs Japanese crap, but a fews point concern me firstly its seat height is taller than the GSXR and quite a bit higher than my 749 (Not good for shorties like me), worse than this is the cam belt tensioner pulleys are made of plastic, rather than steel like on the 916s 999s etc. the article said that the bike being tested was not turning already and had become oval !!!. Finally it appear much harder to work on.
STILL BEAUTIFUL AND I WANT ONE (Ill keep doing the lottery)
 
hugh916 said:
I own a newsagents so am able to read most of the bike publications. This months BIKE mag has a big article on the 1098. Usual Ducati Vs Japanese crap, but a fews point concern me firstly its seat height is taller than the GSXR and quite a bit higher than my 749 (Not good for shorties like me), worse than this is the cam belt tensioner pulleys are made of plastic, rather than steel like on the 916s 999s etc. the article said that the bike being tested was not turning already and had become oval !!!. Finally it appear much harder to work on.
STILL BEAUTIFUL AND I WANT ONE (Ill keep doing the lottery)
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Yeh I read that...probably standing in your establishment actually :p and couldn't believe what I was reading :eek:
 
I don't see a problem in itself with the cam tensioner pulleys being made of plastic - as long as it's the right sort of plastic and up to the job. If the pulley stops turning, it's because the bearing has packed up not because the pulley is made of plastic, but if does stop turning the plastic pulley won't last long.
I'm a bit surprised at the 1098 being harder to work on as Ducati have been making big efforts to reduce service costs and high service costs will put off potential buyers.
 
Derek said:
I'm a bit surprised at the 1098 being harder to work on as Ducati have been making big efforts to reduce service costs and high service costs will put off potential buyers.
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LOL Derek, almost 30 fasteners holding the lower fairings on in comparison to about 12 on a 999, loosening and refastening them is bound to save time :D
 
I wondered that about the fairing removal on the 1098 compared to the 749/999.
On the 749 its 4 dzus fasteners and two half turn bolts, I can remove the side panel in about a minute. How long will it take to remove the 1098 panel ?
 
it'll be no worse than the st range, i really wouldnt worry about it.I'd also remind people that most bike magazines, however respectable,do have a slightly pro japanese slant on most of their articles. Which isnt really surprising as the japanese have been providing good bikes for quite a while, but that doesnt excuse it.:D
 
gordj65 said:
it'll be no worse than the st range, i really wouldnt worry about it.I'd also remind people that most bike magazines, however respectable,do have a slightly pro japanese slant on most of their articles. Which isnt really surprising as the japanese have been providing good bikes for quite a while, but that doesnt excuse it.:D
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Hmm, progress usually involves going forward not backwards, the goal was to lower service time and I really can't see how they have achieved that ( in comparison to the model it replaces).

The 1098 has had some good press ( way better than the new Japanese bike launches) based upon the reaction at bike shows and a nice ickle jaunt to Kyalami for the selected journos, all of it controlled by the PR/Communciation team at Ducati. Its now going to go out to customers and magazines who will ride it long term and I'd expect to see some negative press coverage and forum comments as its quirks come to light, thats not unexpected for a brand new model and I'm sure Ducati will be making changes as they do discover the issues, every other model has been through this.
 
sounds like you don't like it Michael :D . Anyway if they are going to charge for removing the plastics AND it takes a long time (which I'm sure it won't for the fully equipped, practiced dealer) then you can always do it yourself before it goes in to them. Let's hope the plastic pulley isn't a problem, but as Derek says it's the bearing that's at fault, not the plastic itself. Neither detract from the bike IMHO, and any other potential faults will be warranty issues so should be dealt with quickly?
 
Bearing or not, if when I buy the 848 next year ;) it comes with plastic rollers...they're getting swapped out for some nice billet aluminium ones from Vee Two :D
 
To put it in perspective and to offer some facts, the 1098 DOES take longer to get into than a 999 but not be very much.

Instead of 1 minute to get the fairing off, it takes maybe 5 mins!!!

Like Rockjock sez, it's not really a problem to us!!! After a bit of practice our guys were in the groove and whipping em off in jig time!! (oooh err!!)

The trade off is that the fairing (although a similar type of material) through design, feel considerably more substantial. Also the fit and finish of the underside as an example (above the exhausts) and the way it clips together is beautifully done. The rest of the plastics are equally as impressive.

Conversely, under the skin, they are comparible if not easier to work on.

Regarding the tensioner, the factory are very well aware of the situation. Being made of plastic really isn't an issue. Some plastics are literally bulletproof!!! The nature of the plastic means it's ideal for the job, light & strong etc. It really is a very simply fixed & mild teething issue.

The part has already been redesigned and those machines that are coming out from the factory now have been modified. I'm told the vast majority of customers that are waiting on ordered bikes will not be affected as the bikes have not really started coming in in large quantities yet.
So few have actually been delivered thus far so early in the production run, there are not many bikes out there to modify.
Any owners with bikes in the system are going to notified (if they haven't been already) to contact their local dealer to get the issue resolved.

Some of the race teams are already using the updated part in extreme conditions and the new part works a treat - job done!

Again as Rockjock sez it's a simple warranty issue, that's one of the reasons why the warranty is there and so comprehensive.

With proper workshop timing it will only mean a quick pitstop for the customer as it's a job that can be done 'while-U-wait'. The bike will not need to be off the road for any considerable time.

Mart:D
 
rockjock620 said:
sounds like you don't like it Michael :D . Anyway if they are going to charge for removing the plastics AND it takes a long time (which I'm sure it won't for the fully equipped, practiced dealer) then you can always do it yourself before it goes in to them. Let's hope the plastic pulley isn't a problem, but as Derek says it's the bearing that's at fault, not the plastic itself. Neither detract from the bike IMHO, and any other potential faults will be warranty issues so should be dealt with quickly?
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i don't like the fact its a marketing led design and the desire to have certain features overrides performance or more important aspects Pete. It'll take longer to get off than a 999 ( as Martin's just confirmed ) despite the claims of a drive towards reducing workshop time, the owner shouldn't have to do anything!! the design IMHO should improve as time goes on not step backwards. Plastic ( or a nylon/composite) would be better as it'll be lighter and cheaper to produce provided the material selected can handle the stresses and you can control manufacture QC to the tolerances needed, thats the biggest challenge facing companies now and it may be that they moved bearing supplier for this new design and that is the problem. whatever it is won't take long to identify and they'll soon fix it.

Steve748 said:
and 10 on a 748:rolleyes:
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10? you missed the lower fairing bolts out Steve never mind the ones on the split in the panel, and i made a mistake on 999 it is actually 10 :) sorry, its a pet hate, i prefer sleeker lines with as few bolts or dzuz fastners on show as possible :)
 
On the subject of plastics......go and get yourself a square foot of 3mm Lexan, put it on a bench, take one claw hammer and batter it till you get blisters......bet you dont break it! :)
 
I don't have a problem with plastic, so long as its the right one for the job. It looks like that's been resolved though :) Hmmm...like any of it would EVER stop me buying one if I had the money :rolleyes:
 
14 dzuz on a 996r (998?) and 10 on a 996 if you dont count the little ones where the 2 halves of the sidepanel join together? I think theres 6 on each side, never need to undo them though.
 
Then theres the 4 bolts to remove the mirrors and nosecone on a 996/998 and just the one pin to pull out to remove the seat unit. Cant imagine a bike thats easy to undress.
 
Davieravie said:
On the subject of plastics......go and get yourself a square foot of 3mm Lexan, put it on a bench, take one claw hammer and batter it till you get blisters......bet you dont break it! :)
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it actually makes more sense to use plastic for that roller, i 'd think the metal version is hard to machine but an injection molded composite would be loads easier, cheaper and just as long lasting provided the material was correct. it'll be lighter as well.
 
Martin Ducati Glasgow said:
To put it in perspective and to offer some facts, the 1098 DOES take longer to get into than a 999 but not be very much.

Instead of 1 minute to get the fairing off, it takes maybe 5 mins!!!

Like Rockjock sez, it's not really a problem to us!!! After a bit of practice our guys were in the groove and whipping em off in jig time!! (oooh err!!)

The trade off is that the fairing (although a similar type of material) through design, feel considerably more substantial. Also the fit and finish of the underside as an example (above the exhausts) and the way it clips together is beautifully done. The rest of the plastics are equally as impressive.

Conversely, under the skin, they are comparible if not easier to work on.

Regarding the tensioner, the factory are very well aware of the situation. Being made of plastic really isn't an issue. Some plastics are literally bulletproof!!! The nature of the plastic means it's ideal for the job, light & strong etc. It really is a very simply fixed & mild teething issue.

The part has already been redesigned and those machines that are coming out from the factory now have been modified. I'm told the vast majority of customers that are waiting on ordered bikes will not be affected as the bikes have not really started coming in in large quantities yet.
So few have actually been delivered thus far so early in the production run, there are not many bikes out there to modify.
Any owners with bikes in the system are going to notified (if they haven't been already) to contact their local dealer to get the issue resolved.

Some of the race teams are already using the updated part in extreme conditions and the new part works a treat - job done!

Again as Rockjock sez it's a simple warranty issue, that's one of the reasons why the warranty is there and so comprehensive.

With proper workshop timing it will only mean a quick pitstop for the customer as it's a job that can be done 'while-U-wait'. The bike will not need to be off the road for any considerable time.

Mart:D
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Martin a warranty question, can the warranty make my wife let me get a 1098 and can it also provide the funds required. If not its a crap warranty:D
 
Gizmo said:
it actually makes more sense to use plastic for that roller, i 'd think the metal version is hard to machine but an injection molded composite would be loads easier, cheaper and just as long lasting provided the material was correct. it'll be lighter as well.
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As long as its not made out of recycled Coke bottles......Im pretty sure they'll be up to the job......
 
What's all this stripping her in minutes malarky anyway...she needs to be undressed slowly and seductively, a sip of fine wine in between each fastener...
 
MartinH said:
Then theres the 4 bolts to remove the mirrors and nosecone on a 996/998 and just the one pin to pull out to remove the seat unit. Cant imagine a bike thats easy to undress.
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the top fairing on 999 has 4 fiddly mirror bolts and 2 other bolts holding it on. Tank/seat comes off as one unit but have 4 bolts securing them, needed because tank/seat can be placed in one of 3 positions fore and aft to compensate for rider size and weight distribution. TBH its those bolts on the top/lower split that really annoy me, why are they there?
 
Are you lot all bored and got nowt else better to do than slog the guts out of a 1098?

The finer things in life require patience, care and time...

Do you think the owner of a Ferrari is concerned that a belts change for 355 or Testarossa costs £1200 + and takes 2/ 3days to do because they take the whole engine out to do it....

I know I know its TFI Friday...........
 
The first class warranty will take care of any problems that arise.And if you are still worried extend it for a further year and sleep soundly.(feck,that was dull!)
 
im sure derek will be along soon to tell you how many fasteners there are on the st range and trust me theres hunners, its a days work just to get to the battery i kid you not.:mad:
 
Gizmo said:
i don't like the fact its a marketing led design and the desire to have certain features overrides performance or more important aspects Pete. It'll take longer to get off than a 999 ( as Martin's just confirmed ) despite the claims of a drive towards reducing workshop time, the owner shouldn't have to do anything!! the design IMHO should improve as time goes on not step backwards. Plastic ( or a nylon/composite) would be better as it'll be lighter and cheaper to produce provided the material selected can handle the stresses and you can control manufacture QC to the tolerances needed, thats the biggest challenge facing companies now and it may be that they moved bearing supplier for this new design and that is the problem. whatever it is won't take long to identify and they'll soon fix it.



10? you missed the lower fairing bolts out Steve never mind the ones on the split in the panel, and i made a mistake on 999 it is actually 10 :) sorry, its a pet hate, i prefer sleeker lines with as few bolts or dzuz fastners on show as possible :)
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Sorry, I would have gone out and counted them before posting but the bikes not there:eek: , I thought it was 4 down the sides and 2 underneath? I was talking dzus man!:rolleyes:
 
What a great thread, only a Ducati site would have an discussion thread about how many dzus fasteners were on each type of bike.

So my two pence worth is, it doesn't matter because the 1098 will get you to the dealer 8 minutes quicker than a 999, thus saving on the service bill.
 
Paul748 said:
What a great thread, only a Ducati site would have an discussion thread about how many dzus fasteners were on each type of bike.

So my two pence worth is, it doesn't matter because the 1098 will get you to the dealer 8 minutes quicker than a 999, thus saving on the service bill.
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Ah but the 8 mins quicker will land you with a £60 speeding ticket :laugh:
 
Paul748 said:
What a great thread, only a Ducati site would have an discussion thread about how many dzus fasteners were on each type of bike.

So my two pence worth is, it doesn't matter because the 1098 will get you to the dealer 8 minutes quicker than a 999, thus saving on the service bill.
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you nailed it in one! back to reality.....it's very nice :D
 
I’ve discovered a cure for the anti-fasteners suffers. :D :D

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Couldn’t resist :laugh: :laugh:
I’ll get my coat.
 
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