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At Jerez some us were suffering from cramps, aches, fatigue etc, not just the heat, but also the concentration. The German Ducati dealership there had their own kitchen staff to ensure that the food / drink was always on hand - but also the RIGHT food and drink.... On the p1ss until 4am is bad for us apparently :D :D

So, I know a nutrition expert who is prepared to give anyone interested a chat about the right foods and supplements for keeping muscles in peak condition, and foods etc to help with fatigue and concentration.

Anyone interested, drop me a PM, we'll arrange something towards the end of the year - that'll give us time to get into peak performance for the 2009 season. This is NOT a diet, or a food fad, this is purely the right foods etc for PERFORMANCE, emphasis on FOODS and not pills and tablets.

It's fair to say that if you're tired then you make mistakes - most incidents tend to happen when riders lose concentration.

DIET - that's another issue - I was losing 10-15mph on the straights because the 1098R wasn't impressed with the riders "shape".... I'll work on that for next year :eek: :D
 
DIET - that's another issue - I was losing 10-15mph on the straights because the 1098R wasn't impressed with the riders "shape".... I'll work on that for next year :eek: :D[/QUOTE]

The pictures in Jerez take pounds off you :D :D or was that a big set of leathers:) :)
 
Stuart I'd think the biggest thing won't be food but hydration, alcohol and heat are the worst things to dry you out and your brain needs water, everything you describe can be attributed to the onset of dehydration and is easily solved ! You can add rehydration supplements, salts and more but plain old tap water is a good place to start, sadly gallons of beer isn't :D
 
It's not rocket science, a quick "google" esp with relation to cycling will give you good insight to the methods/products required.

I sell and use "Power Bar" products, Lance Armstrong was their most lauded user. Mike may confirm/deny this but on the major Tours (de France, Italy etc) I believe many of the riders (even though outwardly sponsored by other energy food manufacturers) much prefer Power Bar and clandestinely dump their stuff and use that instead.

There are many home based diet stuff to use on performance days - porridge for brekkie, fruit malt loaf, cold rice pudding, jelly babies/beans, jam butties, and so on. But PLENTY of fluids, before, during and after activity - water is as good as anything.

Beer's nicer but only to an extent....;)
 
rockjock620 said:
It's not rocket science, a quick "google" esp with relation to cycling will give you good insight to the methods/products required.

But PLENTY of fluids, before, during and after activity - water is as good as anything.
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You need to be careful not too over hydrate. It can lead to cramps etc... Friend is a dietician, sports and health service.

I took on to much water during a half marathon, cost me at least ten minutes on my time.
 
That's interesting Paul - I was drinking gallons of water - and to be honest not that much beer (3-4 pints a night). What killed me was cramps - TWO right at corners where 100% concentration was needed, not going into a tight right hander with a leg sticking out :D :D :D :D

I was very concious NOT to overdo the beer, I was easy on the beer and off to bed fairly early (midnight ish)... unlike others (Rees), on the sauce until sun rise he was :D :D :D :D :D :D

I know about the water -v- beer stuff - but not enough about what vitamins etc help fatigue, cramps etc etc, that's what would make a massive difference for me... and lose a fews pounds so that I get my @rse off the seat without hiring a JCB at turn 4 :D :D :D
 
Most of the big tour teams have chefs preparing individual snacks for the riders Pete, a lot of the prepackaged foods are hard to digest during a 7 hour race and riders have their personal preferences so individual musette bags are common.

I'd be looking at what British Cycling are up to, they were our most succesful team at the Olympics and i know the health of the athletes was a major factor, Science in Sport were the nutriition/supplement supplier, not one of my favourite tastes but they seem popular. Its unlikely track motorbikes are that intensive that you need energy bars, I'd think a balanced meal or just snacks between sessions topped up with a gel sachet and electrolyte would be all thats needed with the emphasis on small, large volumes of food bring their own problems. Avoid sugary snacks so you don't get the high and low blood sugar.

you are right you can over hydrate Paul, its also possible to die from water poisoning, an overload of water causes the brain to swell just like a lack of it causes it to contract hence the headaches. It also affects the electrolyte balance, reducing concentration of essential salts so more chance of cramping up. It is quite rare and like most things moderation is the key!
 
Mad Dash said:
That's interesting Paul - I was drinking gallons of water - and to be honest not that much beer (3-4 pints a night). What killed me was cramps - TWO right at corners where 100% concentration was needed, not going into a tight right hander with a leg sticking out :D :D :D :D

I was very concious NOT to overdo the beer, I was easy on the beer and off to bed fairly early (midnight ish)... unlike others (Rees), on the sauce until sun rise he was :D :D :D :D :D :D

I know about the water -v- beer stuff - but not enough about what vitamins etc help fatigue, cramps etc etc, that's what would make a massive difference for me... and lose a fews pounds so that I get my @rse off the seat without hiring a JCB at turn 4 :D :D :D
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Its not just vitamins its about electrolyte balance - stuff like sodium/potassium combined with the volume of water, too much water without these and you end up reducing the concentration or just too much sodium not balancing up. its worth looking into as it can make a big difference :thumbs:
 
Right you guys, you have just confirmed that it is indeed an art... all this correct diet stuff. So maybe someone doing a talk for us might be a good idea after all. What applies to riders on tracks will be equally applicable surely to runners, tennis players, amateur footballers etc ????

For next year, I'll certainly make a concerted effort to eat less sugary snacks, fizzy drinks, McDonalds, sweets, less beer.... oh and ...
if you believe that, you'll believe in santa clause :D
 
I would go with the healthy balanced diet, not over doing liquid intake approach.

I think at the level we ride at as long as you are not overtly unhealthy the chemical balance stuff is overkill. I could understand the point when running/cycling for extended periods but for a trackday/evening....:confused: :confused:

How many people have a special diet for a few days leading up to an all day run?
 
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I could understand the point when running/cycling for extended periods but for a trackday/evening....:confused: :confused:

How many people have a special diet for a few days leading up to an all day run?
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That's what I thought too, then at the end of day 2 at Jerez my rather unfit body was making an official complaint. On track from 10am to 6pm in regular sessions in 28-32 degrees is not what I expected. I have never had to rinse out a T-Shirt after a track event before. So yeah, maybe not a factor for Knockhill, but certainly worth a tad of research for next years Jerez, especially if we're going earlier this time.
 
The complications will come in on deciding how much you are dehydrating. Typically modern sporty types are weighed before and after games/races and the difference is the amount of moisture lost. Without replicating the effort and ambient conditions, temp/humidity it is all going to be guess work. You might need to don the leathers and jump around a bit in a sauna:lol2: :lol2:

It will all be very interestiing..... can't wait to find out what advice comes.
 
A couple of days doing a leisurely pace round a track and you get to realise the guys that do it day in weekend out for a living under pressure really earn their money.......
even Marco Melandri
 
yeah, all right for these young 20 somethings, but us old gits tend to hang onto the Big Macs and beers far too easy.... bah :D
 
its all to doo with hydration ...a 1% loss in hydration causes a 10% loss in cognative response ..ego if your dehydrated you`ll loose concentration :D

but you can "train" your body to ignore that :dunno:
 
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PaulV said:
I would go with the healthy balanced diet, not over doing liquid intake approach.

I think at the level we ride at as long as you are not overtly unhealthy the chemical balance stuff is overkill. I could understand the point when running/cycling for extended periods but for a trackday/evening....:confused: :confused:

How many people have a special diet for a few days leading up to an all day run?
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Mad Dash said:
That's what I thought too, then at the end of day 2 at Jerez my rather unfit body was making an official complaint. On track from 10am to 6pm in regular sessions in 28-32 degrees is not what I expected. I have never had to rinse out a T-Shirt after a track event before. So yeah, maybe not a factor for Knockhill, but certainly worth a tad of research for next years Jerez, especially if we're going earlier this time.
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which is why i think what you had in Jerez was more hydration linked, its a little bit hotter than knockhill, more hours on track and thick leathers/Spanish sun soon have you losing sweat. Watch the moto gp racers at hot events and they race with a camelbak in the hump of the suit, given how much money gets spent on lightening bikes they wouldn't be doing that unless it gave a proven benefit. they don't use them at every round, just ones where they are operating outside their normal, trained for conditions, you have to adapt depending upon the climate/exertion level and there isn't a fixed system you can use.

the chemical balance is equally as important Paul, its what causes cramp, prevents the body converting food into energy and more, if you can get the correct hydration its less so as but that is hard to get.

Diet for one sport may not fit others, endurance training v's sprint don't have the same requirements and a 20 minute track session on a physical track where you are picking bike up and moving around a lot is quite demanding. The likes of Pedrosa and Bayliss use cycling to get fit as did the Bostrum brothers and i met Kevin Schwantz at a cycle show as he was into pedal bikes for training.

A good trainer will understand all of this, if you get stuck let me know and I'll see if I can get one of the pro
 
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