1098 SF battery upgrade

[BobTheBounder]

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You might be a hurty big fat man baby but don't turn your personal pathetic trolling onto a market leading product you silly billy: it just shows what a humourless Guinness you are - now run along and play

For the record (for people that don't know how much of a shit you can be) a customer on here fitted one of our aerospace quality cable sets swapping out those 'home workshop quality' US cables and reported ours were clearly much better quality and gave better results (and they were electrically qualified and not just a non Gas Safe Kitchen plumber)

Thanks for listening

Don't hold back cocker, give 'im both barrels

 

[Gimlet]

Yes, say what you think Exie. Don't sit on the fence.

 

[AirCon]

Hehehe... did that make him all upset... Good...
He's followed me around like a lost dog, despite no interaction or response for several years.

To be fair I've a few of his Ducati kits and the quality is good, with excellent and complete instructions.
My only criticism is the lack of gold plating to help reduce corrosion, but the grease supplied does the job.
I suppose that allows him to explain away the industrial amounts of vaseline deliveries to his home address....

Edited to correct spelling, after Bob noticed my error compared to his 12.5L pot, kept by his bed.

 

[Gimlet]

I wish he'd start making batteries that fit Streetfighters.

 

[Exige]

Don't hold back cocker, give 'im both barrels

Yes, say what you think Exie. Don't sit on the fence.

I did hold back, a lot

 

[AirCon]

I wish he'd start making batteries that fit Streetfighters.

If you google ducati 1098 battery upgrade or starting issues, there is a huge amount of advice. Plenty on the old boring channel we came from and others across the pond.
Unless Ducati list a Lithium battery , don't fit one.
Obviously if you modify the gen set to take one then that's OK.

 

[Exige]

He's followed me around like a lost dog, despite no interaction or response for several years.

Listen at yourself and grow up what does 'followed you around even mean' you fire a quip off, I respond with more humour back, you report me to your wife and cry. You then tell me she agrees that I'm nasty when she really just tells you to grow up. (Yes I have the PM )

You are reading all posts as you don't block anyone as you don't want to be left out, you talk constantly to people who have blocked you for being a weirdo, why? bit weird that

You do realise everyone else can read the forum so knows what you are like, and on top of all that I still like you, you big cuddly hunka flubber blubber, here's 5 cuddles for you (as 1 wouldn't read round) and no not your sort of reach around

Now be nice like me and your forum experience would be so much more fulfilling, less entertaining for everyone else though Mmmm, as you were

 

[Exige]

My only criticism is the lack of gold plating to help reduce corrosion, but the grease supplied does the job.
I suppose that allows him to explain away the industrial amounts of vasaline deliveries to his home address.

Ah, I do remember you asked for extra Gel for everyone I sold you doirty boy

 

[BobTheBounder]

Hehehe... did that make him all upset... Good...
He's followed me around like a lost dog, despite no interaction or response for several years.

To be fair I've a few of his Ducati kits and the quality is good, with excellent and complete instructions.
My only criticism is the lack of gold plating to help reduce corrosion, but the grease supplied does the job.
I suppose that allows him to explain away the industrial amounts of vasaline deliveries to his home address.

Fookin ell AC, that's a bit rich on the kink front, with your hedonistic lifestyle kettle, black, pot are words that spring to mind.
Oh and while we're here it's vaseline my pedantic pal!

 

[Gimlet]

If you google ducati 1098 battery upgrade or starting issues, there is a huge amount of advice. Plenty on the old boring channel we came from and others across the pond.
Unless Ducati list a Lithium battery , don't fit one.
Obviously if you modify the gen set to take one then that's OK.

I've been wading through that material for several days. When it comes to lithium, a lot of it is out of date, being over ten years old when lithium meant lithium ion. That isn't the case any more so you have to be mindful of that.

I'm going to approach Nelly soon at Cornerspeed about replacing the sprag clutch so I'll ask his opinion beofre booking it in, and I may give Rich Lewellyn a call as well. He tunes these bikes and few people will know better than he about starting upgrades.

 

[AirCon]

Fookin ell AC, that's a bit rich on the kink front, with your hedonistic lifestyle kettle, black, pot are words that spring to mind.
Oh and while we're here it's vaseline my pedantic pal!

I'll bow to your greater knowledge on the aforementioned anal lubricant.

 

[Exige]

Oh and while we're here it's vaseline my pedantic pal!

It's actually Dielectric Compound

 

[AirCon]

I've been wading through that material for several days. When it comes to lithium, a lot of it is out of date, being over ten years old when lithium meant lithium ion. That isn't the case any more so you have to be mindful of that.

I'm going to approach Nelly soon at Cornerspeed about replacing the sprag clutch so I'll ask his opinion beofre booking it in, and I may give Rich Lewellyn a call as well. He tunes these bikes and few people will know better than he about starting upgrades.

For me the issue isn't the battery chemistry, but the characteristics the electrical engineer had in mind when he designed the generator set.
Lithium batteries made certain regulators and other components over heat. This was particularly bad where they were already close to the design envelope as far as heat dissipation.

 

[BobTheBounder]

I'll bow to you greater knowledge on the aforementioned anal lubricant.

Nah cocker, I use vaseline for a multiple of tasks, 99% workshop related, none involve anal insertion, however back in the day If the young lady i was courting fancied a bit of bum fun we used either KY jelly or Johnsons baby oil, both worked a treat.
PM me for any further heterosexual relationship advice.

 

[AirCon]

Nah cocker, I use vaseline for a multiple of tasks, 99% workshop related, none involve anal insertion, however back in the day If the young lady i was courting fancied a bit of bum fun we used either KY jelly or Johnsons baby oil, both worked a treat.
PM me for any further heterosexual relationship advice.

I'll be skipping Brunch today, as my mind is now full of Yorkshire nuptials

 

[Loz]

Here are the lyrics for "She Don't Use Jelly" by The Flaming Lips, from their 1993 album Transmissions from the Satellite Heart:
[Verse 1]
I know a girl who thinks of ghosts
She'll make ya breakfast, she'll make ya toast
She don't use butter, she don't use cheese
She don't use jelly, or any of these
She uses Vaseline
Vaseline
Vaseline
[Verse 2]
And there's a guy who says he flies
He'll tell ya stories, he'll tell ya lies
He don't use rockets, he don't use planes
He don't use logic to explain
He uses Vaseline
Vaseline
Vaseline
[Verse 3]
I know a girl who loves to scream
She'll wake ya up from the strangest dreams
She don't use pillows, she don't use beams
She don't use nothing that's what it seems
She uses Vaseline
Vaseline
Vaseline
[Chorus/Outro]
She don't use jelly, she don't use cheese
She don't use butter or any of these
She uses Vaseline
Vaseline
Vaseline
Vaseline

I do hope this is of some assistance.

 

[Gimlet]

Had an idea today. I connected my KTM's battery up to the SF with jump leads. It has slightly more cranking power than the stock SF battery and it is fully charged. The engine tried to turn but only just. So the sprag clutch must be engaging (assuming I haven't just knackered it doing that...).. Then I added a booster pack to the equation. Very very reluctantly it turned over and eventually started.

Could it be the starter motor? Is there such a thing as a lazy motor or is it a case of they either work or they don't?

Or can a knacked sprag cause lazy starts? I would have thought if it engages it will grip the flywheel and spin the engine over and if it's worn it can't engage and it'll just whirr.

 

[Derek]

Yes, you can get a "lazy" starter. When I had a 907ie it's starter had always turned the engine over really slowly.Then it stopped working one day. I took it off, stripped it down and found one of brushes was stuck in the holder. A few months later it did it again. This time I replaced the brushes. Several week later it did it again!!
I was pissed off by this time so bought a new starter. With the new one fitted the engine turned over twice as fast, starting no bother.
It's my reckoning that the armature windings were shorting internally, reducing the power of the starter and at the same time drawing a lot more current so that the brushes were overheating and effectively welding themselves to the brush holders.

 

[AirCon]

Yes, you can get a "lazy" starter. When I had a 907ie it's starter had always turned the engine over really slowly.Then it stopped working one day. I took it off, stripped it down and found one of brushes was stuck in the holder. A few months later it did it again. This time I replaced the brushes. Several week later it did it again!!
I was pissed off by this time so bought a new starter. With the new one fitted the engine turned over twice as fast, starting no bother.
It's my reckoning that the armature windings were shorting internally, reducing the power of the starter and at the same time drawing a lot more current so that the brushes were overheating and effectively welding themselves to the brush holders.

Ducati starter upgrade - starting upgrade for Ducati motorcycles

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Greatstuff

 

[Exige]

www.ducati.tech
Greatstuff - I have them on all my Ducati's

 

[Gimlet]

Yes, you can get a "lazy" starter. When I had a 907ie it's starter had always turned the engine over really slowly.Then it stopped working one day. I took it off, stripped it down and found one of brushes was stuck in the holder. A few months later it did it again. This time I replaced the brushes. Several week later it did it again!!
I was pissed off by this time so bought a new starter. With the new one fitted the engine turned over twice as fast, starting no bother.
It's my reckoning that the armature windings were shorting internally, reducing the power of the starter and at the same time drawing a lot more current so that the brushes were overheating and effectively welding themselves to the brush holders.

I'm going to take the starter motor off today and check its condition and clean all the contacts from the starter earth backwards. Moto Electrical supply replacement starters: Starter Motor Ducati 1098 | 1100 | 1198 | 848 Motorcycles - Moto Electrical

Don't know how that compares with Ducati original parts but I imagine it's cheaper.
Thereafter I'll have to consider whether to buy another OEM lead acid battery, as I suspect it's goosed - the optimiser is showing a red light all the time it's on charge - or go Lithium i/phos with a Mosfet reg/rec.

 

[Exige]

I'm going to take the starter motor off today and check its condition and clean all the contacts from the starter earth backwards. Moto Electrical supply replacement starters: Starter Motor Ducati 1098 | 1100 | 1198 | 848 Motorcycles - Moto Electrical

Don't know how that compares with Ducati original parts but I imagine it's cheaper.
Thereafter I'll have to consider whether to buy another OEM lead acid battery, as I suspect it's goosed - the optimiser is showing a red light all the time it's on charge - or go Lithium i/phos with a Mosfet reg/rec.

I stock the California Cycleworks ones...

{Out of Stock - Estimated Restock 2/28/26} Ca Cycleworks EFI Fuel Pump

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ca-cycleworks.com

 

[Gimlet]

I stock the California Cycleworks ones...

{Out of Stock - Estimated Restock 2/28/26} Ca Cycleworks EFI Fuel Pump

Husqvarna 650 TR/Terra/ST/Strada 2013+ Ducati Most 2003+ models with fuel modulesDucati DiavelDucati StreetfighterDucati Hypermotard 1100Ducati Hypermotard 796 Ducati Superbike 749 (2003-up)Ducati Superbike 848Ducati Superbike 999Ducati Superbike 1098Ducati Superbike 1198Ducati Sport Classic...

ca-cycleworks.com

That's a fuel pump.
Can you supply a starter motor?

 

[Markduc]

I stock the California Cycleworks ones...

{Out of Stock - Estimated Restock 2/28/26} Ca Cycleworks EFI Fuel Pump

Husqvarna 650 TR/Terra/ST/Strada 2013+ Ducati Most 2003+ models with fuel modulesDucati DiavelDucati StreetfighterDucati Hypermotard 1100Ducati Hypermotard 796 Ducati Superbike 749 (2003-up)Ducati Superbike 848Ducati Superbike 999Ducati Superbike 1098Ducati Superbike 1198Ducati Sport Classic...

ca-cycleworks.com

Do CC efi pumps double up as starter motors

 

[AirCon]

I'm going to take the starter motor off today and check its condition and clean all the contacts from the starter earth backwards. Moto Electrical supply replacement starters: Starter Motor Ducati 1098 | 1100 | 1198 | 848 Motorcycles - Moto Electrical

Don't know how that compares with Ducati original parts but I imagine it's cheaper.
Thereafter I'll have to consider whether to buy another OEM lead acid battery, as I suspect it's goosed - the optimiser is showing a red light all the time it's on charge - or go Lithium i/phos with a Mosfet reg/rec.

Once a lead acid battery is discharged below a certain voltage it suffers what is known as deep discharge damaged and will never recover fully.
That voltage is circa 10.2 - 10.5V, depending on construction and chemistry. Although you may be able to charge it back to "health", its capacity and cold crank amps will be reduced, together with an increased self discharge rate.

Further optimate and similar chargers detect and warn of this. To fool the charger, parallel charge the faulty battery with a good one. The charger will then charge it. Once it is above the deep charge voltage, remove the known good battery. This will allow the optimate to charge to the correct float charge. Once complete perform a CCA test.

 

[Gimlet]

Do CC efi pumps double up as starter motors

Is pumping fuel into an electrical stator a good idea? Asking for a friend.

 

[Gimlet]

Once a lead acid battery is discharged below a certain voltage it suffers what is known as deep discharge damaged and will never recover fully.
That voltage is circa 10.2 - 10.5V, depending on construction and chemistry. Although you may be able to charge it back to "health", its capacity and cold crank amps will be reduced, together with an increased self discharge rate.

Further optimate and similar chargers detect and warn of this. To fool the charger, parallel charge the faulty battery with a good one. The charger will then charge it. Once it is above the deep charge voltage, remove the known good battery. This will allow the optimate to charge to the correct float charge. Once complete perform a CCA test.

When charging in parallel you've got the two linked minus to minus and pos to pos but do you then connect the charger to both terminals of one battery or to the minus on one battery and to the pos on the other?

 

[Exige]

That's a fuel pump.
Can you supply a starter motor?

Yeh, but it's cheaper and I was still half asleep and no they don't

 

[Exige]

Do CC efi pumps double up as starter motors

Don't be daft

 

[BobTheBounder]

I'm going to take the starter motor off today and check its condition and clean all the contacts from the starter earth backwards. Moto Electrical supply replacement starters: Starter Motor Ducati 1098 | 1100 | 1198 | 848 Motorcycles - Moto Electrical

Don't know how that compares with Ducati original parts but I imagine it's cheaper.
Thereafter I'll have to consider whether to buy another OEM lead acid battery, as I suspect it's goosed - the optimiser is showing a red light all the time it's on charge - or go Lithium i/phos with a Mosfet reg/rec.

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