DesmoHyper
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Is davos that bad dalek in dr who?
Conspiracy theories, who starts them and why?
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@Dox said " I've all but split up from my GF of 7 years because of our differing thoughts on CV, and the fact she's a Sister at a large hospital in Scotland"
That story would be of great interest!
I have two friends who work at different hospitals, one in procurement and one in IT what I have heard from them leads me to believe that the official CV narrative doesn't add up.
That story would be of great interest!
I have two friends who work at different hospitals, one in procurement and one in IT what I have heard from them leads me to believe that the official CV narrative doesn't add up.
People invent conspiracy theories in order to impose order upon chaotic events. It is comforting even if it is simultaneously disturbing, to believe that someone, somewhere has a handle on the great events of the day.
However, correlation is not causation. Not every conspiracy theory is without meaningful substance. Some theories arise from careful observation of events and from a strong refusal to be thick as shit. There is a time when refusing to call a walking, quacking thing a duck is, frankly, deluded.
It should be noted that the ability to dismiss the activities of people who wish to remain hidden from the public eye, by referring to observations as "conspiracy theories", is a great boon to secrecy. Perfect camouflage.
However, correlation is not causation. Not every conspiracy theory is without meaningful substance. Some theories arise from careful observation of events and from a strong refusal to be thick as shit. There is a time when refusing to call a walking, quacking thing a duck is, frankly, deluded.
It should be noted that the ability to dismiss the activities of people who wish to remain hidden from the public eye, by referring to observations as "conspiracy theories", is a great boon to secrecy. Perfect camouflage.
She's in charge of an Out Patients dept...which got shut down early last year to make way for a bedding area for staff because they were expecting to be working long shifts and sleeping there. Which never happened.
While her dept was shut, she was working a few days a week on the covid ward because a lot of staff were shit scared and pulled sickies. Another load of staff wanted to work but weren't trained, and they were fretting thinking they'd lose their jobs. She has 50-odd staff under her.
Then she had to organise the re-opening of her dept bit by bit, and make it covid-safe...with some snotty urk from government (and straight out of uni) coming round with a clipboard telling her how to do her job. Got it back up and running to capacity - then told to shut it again.
When she was working on the covid ward she had to tell people they couldn't see their dying relatives and crap like that...and holding someone hand while they died while family watched through a door window. Because of that closeness to the action, she won't listen to anything such as overall death figures, or deaths due to lockdowns, or the fact that ventilators were being used for nearly all cases at the beginning which in most cases, causes more harm than good. Absolutely won't listen to anything against masks (like the largest study of masks done in Denmark, which proved that have no benefit...so me refusing to wear one didn't go down well)...if you're not wearing a mask, you're killing people. Bollocks.
Where she is, near Glasgow, there's a lot of sick people - 20 or 30 years ago the life expectancy in Glasgow was about 20 years less than the rest of the UK or something daft. And seems there's 2 things they love; an ailment is one, and the other is a take-away. 'Aw hen, I've got diabetes' - so what are you doing about it? 'Aw I'm taking my meds'....ever thought about losing fucking weight? And they're the other nurses! Not kidding, I've been to her work and she's the slimmest there by a margin.
She won't take the vaccine though, or at least the last we spoke about it she wouldn't.
What have you heard Hugo? I've seen plenty of doctors and nurses saying it's not how it's portrayed in the media.
What, Loz is imaginaryMakes it sound almost like a religion, believing in imaginary people to explain things.
The ‘great reset’ is nothing more IMO than hot air discussed at Davos because Schwab sets the agenda and gives a theme to each year’s meeting.
The WEF can do no more than talk.
Even if it were an agenda of the ‘global elite’ as some believe how on earth would it ever be implemented with only 60 out 192 countries in the world taking part?
The WEF can do no more than talk.
Even if it were an agenda of the ‘global elite’ as some believe how on earth would it ever be implemented with only 60 out 192 countries in the world taking part?
@Loz said"What have you heard Hugo? I've seen plenty of doctors and nurses saying it's not how it's portrayed in the media."
The IT man said that we are very lucky in our area as there are so few cases (so the hospital has loads of capacity yet they have abandoned all routine work). This does not square with the high tier rating for that area.
More interestingly the one who works in procurement said that at the beginning of the "pandemic"the hospital had a multimillion pound debt, this was somehow wiped clean, and anything that had to be purchased for the hospital which was related to CV was allocated a special code so that these items were not paid for from the hospital budget but direct from central funds (you can imagine how inventive this makes the procurers).
The IT man said that we are very lucky in our area as there are so few cases (so the hospital has loads of capacity yet they have abandoned all routine work). This does not square with the high tier rating for that area.
More interestingly the one who works in procurement said that at the beginning of the "pandemic"the hospital had a multimillion pound debt, this was somehow wiped clean, and anything that had to be purchased for the hospital which was related to CV was allocated a special code so that these items were not paid for from the hospital budget but direct from central funds (you can imagine how inventive this makes the procurers).
So you're thinking that the totally disproportionate demolition of the economy is because of a virus, that 99% of people recover from, and where the average age of death is just about, the average age of death? That's a theory too far for me
Some fair points Loz
People invent conspiracy theories in order to impose order upon chaotic events. It is comforting even if it is simultaneously disturbing, to believe that someone, somewhere has a handle on the great events of the day.
I wonder if it might be? That most events happen and the big boys simply are in a position to take advantage of human shortcomings?
However, correlation is not causation. Not every conspiracy theory is without meaningful substance. Some theories arise from careful observation of events and from a strong refusal to be thick as shit. There is a time when refusing to call a walking, quacking thing a duck is, frankly, deluded.
Not unreasonable but could I suggest, in the same way many claim racism where there is none and so with some, not all, thier personal life is crashing down around them and unable to recognise thier own impact on thier personal situation, seek to find someone else to blame. Would it be too harsh to suggest that a fair amount of conspiracy theorists are males and also have issues relating to others? As to "from a strong refusal to be as thick as shit" Could it just be that some see the claims in repesct of thier real world instead of conspiracy theorists who seem to totally emmersed into the conspiracy arena?
It should be noted that the ability to dismiss the activities of people who wish to remain hidden from the public eye, by referring to observations as "conspiracy theories", is a great boon to secrecy. Perfect camouflage
But that can also be used by those seeking to be the new messiah also. "look, look, they are trying to shut me down so I must be right"
How often have we both seen selective excerpts posted and no link to the quote because they want to avoid close scrutiny. What about those recent twitter posts that claimed it "was all a hoax look at this empty wards" (which turned out to be new wards being built and not used yet), or the "look at the hospital with guards around it what are they hiding?" that turned out to be pictures of when Boris was in the icu in April but claimed it as last month
you may remember Lightening_650 when he posted a picture from a post and it claimed it was migrants fighting and rioting in France. When the origin was checked, it turned out to be taxi drivers in paris protesting about the cab licences going up 2 years earlier
I've no doubt there are conspiracies in life, but the internet seems to have allowed some to make out there is one around every corner
DesmoHyper
RIP John, we miss you
Turn it if and turn it on again like I do with my computer if it plays up. That’s my big reset
I'm sorry, Agent Al. I did not mean to confuse you.Makes it sound almost like a religion, believing in imaginary people to explain things.
Simpler assignments for you in future!
DesmoHyper
RIP John, we miss you
The french hospital that I’ve been attending is like a ghost town. Which is niceSo you're thinking that the totally disproportionate demolition of the economy is because of a virus, that 99% of people recover from, and where the average age of death is just about, the average age of death? That's a theory too far for me
Turn it if and turn it on again like I do with my computer if it plays up. That’s my big reset
Sounds like an indian technical assistance helpline
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DesmoHyper
RIP John, we miss you
I’m offended againRacist
You have an imaginary friend, is that not enoughCan I have an imaginary assignment, they’re the bestest ever.
Darkness
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You have an imaginary friend, is that not enough
Is he an imaginary bannister?
Wait, he has more than one
Not quite no. The demolition of the economy is totally disproportionate. It is a knee jerk reaction to a naturally occurring event. Unfortunately, we as a species have evolved to the stage we believe we can control natural events; one of those natural events being death and in a vain attempt to limit deaths from the virus are suffering numerous other deaths (that don’t have the spotlight if Coronavirus shining in them) and much wider collateral damage. I do not believe complete & total lockdowns are the right solution, also I do not believe the virus was deliberately released just so Schwab et all could execute upon a ‘Grand Reset’.So you're thinking that the totally disproportionate demolition of the economy is because of a virus, that 99% of people recover from, and where the average age of death is just about, the average age of death? That's a theory too far for me
We are dealing with a naturally occurring event albeit one we were not prepared for and one that, with few exceptions, has not been dealt with efficiently.
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Darkness
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Wait, he has more than one
Four or Five!
"one we were not prepared for"?
The Rockerfeller Institute predicted it 11 years ago, along with the guidelines of how it should be handled; Tony Fauci predicted it 4 years ago; and Event 201 was held 2 months prior to it being unleashed.
I wouldn't say unprepared. If it's natural. then it's got impeccible timing.
By saying ‘one we were not prepared for’ I meant one we had not prepared for and should have phrased my response better.
For sure a possible pandemic had been flagged many many times it was even on the list of top 5 threats (iirc) to the UK presented at a COBRA briefing in either Nov or Dec 2019. However, it was always a case of ‘nah, won’t happen, we’ll ignore it for now’. As humans we are very good at recognising threats and preparing for them when something has actually happened eg a terrorist atrocity but crap at preparing for something that hasn’t happened in living memory. The threat was pushed to the bottom of the pile and thus we were not prepared for it.
I do wonder if you would have believed it if someone had said, China will release a virus that will kill 2,163,733 people within 12 months and infect 100,764,598 people worldwide, decimate most of the worlds economies whilst China's economy rises and no one in the united nations will take a single action against them for doing so
Aye, as a prediction that too sounds very far fetched. However, although those are factual numbers and although the virus allegedly originated in China I don’t, at this stage in the proceedings, believe it was deliberately released by China.
I do like @Loz ’s explanation for conspiracy theories above (post #123), we probably do all look for an explanation for the inexplicable or at least look for someone to blame because we’re not happy about the situation, but I believe it’s incumbent upon all of us to research as much as possible and make our own decisions based upon rationality, logic and factual information.
Loz used to have what I thought was a very good spoiler in DF which went along the lines of ‘when I was younger the media used to tell me what had happened and I had to think why had it happened, now they tell what to think and I have to think what actually happened’. It’s very easy for a significant number of people not to think and then just accept the narrative they are being presented.
One of the things I like about these discussions is they do make me think, they also send me off on little research trips I may not otherwise have taken. It’s good to keep an open mind.
ps. Loz, I’ll PM my bank details so you can pay me now I’ve bigged you up not once but twice in a single post
Well go research this one as it's baffled me
(1) Covid, what’s the answer | Page 52 | THE Ducati Community Forum
I know, I read that one. Can you trust those numbers anyway ?Well go research this one as it's baffled me
(1) Covid, what’s the answer | Page 52 | THE Ducati Community Forum
When they are a day and a half ahead of time itself?