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Loz said:
Do you believe the Mercury, Gemini, Voskhod, Soyuz and Apollo up to 7 missions happened or were they part of the ruse?

None of those crews went beyond LEO so I assume you are prepared to believe they happened.

The implication in all this is that there is some barrier preventing humans from achieving MEO or above. ISTR that you believe that Eddie Van Halen's belt has something to do with it, plus cosmic rays and solar output beyond a certain point in the spatial volume protected by the Earth's magnetic field.

The theories suggesting that radiation levels are invariably fatal to humans beyond LEO have all been addressed scientifically and debunked so is there another bar preventing humans from going beyond LEO? I have some suggestions on that score.
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I'm sure NASA and the like have put together lots of bullshit to baffle brains on the above. When you have an unlimited budget, and tie that with untestable assertions, it's no wonder that those who want to believe them, will do. But that isn't unique - some people believe there is a climate crisis too.

Then there are the testables; space suits that resist 250c temperature fluctuations within minutes? Firecrews would be interetsed in that, wouldn't they?

Camera film rolls that do the same.

Why does NASA fake so much if they don't need to? If any of it is the truth, why sprinkle it with fakery?

Orion reentering the atmosphore at 24,000mph and touching down within a mile of the recovery vessels....LOL

Footage of the rocket leaving earth's atmosphere - the trip to the moon and back - we have the technology and equipment to do that, so why not capture it?

And then there are NASA employees who have stated that they've never been to the moon. Maybe they just forgot eh? Easily done I suppose - they're a very forgetful agency. That and clumsy.
 
Dox said:
I don't believe that NASA or anyone else has ever sent humans outside of low earth orbit. I have not seen any evidence to the contrary that could not be explained away rationally.
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Nah, all good, just thought I'd ask.
Just on the spacesuit thing. Firecrews would be interested, but of course they are not mobile enough and way too heavy in earths gravity to be at all practical. Not to mention how expensive this technology would be to produce. Cheaper just to send replacement firemen.
 
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Laava said:
Nah, all good, just thought I'd ask.
Just on the spacesuit thing. Firecrews would be interested, but of course they are not mobile enough and way too heavy in earths gravity to be at all practical. Not to mention how expensive this technology would be to produce. Cheaper just to send replacement firemen.
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Oil drillers will be a better bet. I saw a documentary about oil drillers in space, it was most informative.
 
Dox said:
I'm sure NASA and the like have put together lots of bullshit to baffle brains on the above. When you have an unlimited budget, and tie that with untestable assertions, it's no wonder that those who want to believe them, will do. But that isn't unique - some people believe there is a climate crisis too.

Then there are the testables; space suits that resist 250c temperature fluctuations within minutes? Firecrews would be interetsed in that, wouldn't they?

Camera film rolls that do the same.

Why does NASA fake so much if they don't need to? If any of it is the truth, why sprinkle it with fakery?

Orion reentering the atmosphore at 24,000mph and touching down within a mile of the recovery vessels....LOL
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What are your basic assumptions here and on what data are they based?

Dox said:
Footage of the rocket leaving earth's atmosphere - the trip to the moon and back - we have the technology and equipment to do that, so why not capture it?
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Why bother? For what purpose?

Dox said:
And then there are NASA employees who have stated that they've never been to the moon. Maybe they just forgot eh? Easily done I suppose - they're a very forgetful agency. That and clumsy.
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NASA employees? Is this the same NASA that is lying about having been to the Moon? Seems to me that NASA is lying both ways - about going to the Moon and about not going to the Moon. Unless you are lying about that.

Do you work for NASA, Dox? I have plenty of evidence that suggests you do and no reliable evidence that says you don't.
 
Dox said:
And then there are NASA employees who have stated that they've never been to the moon. Maybe they just forgot eh? Easily done I suppose - they're a very forgetful agency. That and clumsy.
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I am sure there are thousands of NASA employees that haven't been to the moon - they only sent a few of them 👀
 
Loz said:
What are your basic assumptions here and on what data are they based?
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Data...you want data? That's a shame - they destroyed it don't you know. Like I said...clumsy.

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Why bother? For what purpose?
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Really? Did you mean to put a laughing emoji after that but forgot?

Loz said:
NASA employees? Is this the same NASA that is lying about having been to the Moon? Seems to me that NASA is lying both ways - about going to the Moon and about not going to the Moon. Unless you are lying about that.
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The trouble with covering up bullshit, sometimes the truth gets out. But maybe you see it differently - how do you explain when people from NASA say they've not been to the moon?

Loz said:
Do you work for NASA, Dox? I have plenty of evidence that suggests you do and no reliable evidence that says you don't.
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Going off the 'evidence' you're willing to accept on this subject, it wouldn't surprise me if you do think that.


Anyway - we're all free to believe what we want. Just don't expect me to go along with this elaborate bollocks, which relies on the fallacy that 'too many people would need to be in on it'. I'm sure 99.9% of NASA employees go through their working lives believing they are working towards genuine missions.

You Lozaraptor will know full well about compartmentalisation.
 
Dox said:
Data...you want data? That's a shame - they destroyed it don't you know. Like I said...clumsy.
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Your data, the data you are relying on. Or did you you destroy it as an act of retaliation?
Dox said:
Really? Did you mean to put a laughing emoji after that but forgot?
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I put an emoji there but it was deleted by an angry ex-employee :mad:

Dox said:
The trouble with covering up bullshit, sometimes the truth gets out. But maybe you see it differently - how do you explain when people from NASA say they've not been to the moon?
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Which bullshit? The bullshit put out by NASA or the bullshit put out by disgruntled ex-employees?

There are numerous reasons for them doing so - disputes over pay pay, overtime payments, bonuses, not getting the leave they wanted in order to go to Disneyland... plus there's the ones motivated by the thought of book deals, fame and the motivations arising from what the voices are telling them.

Help us all out here - why are you so angry with your ex-employer?

Dox said:
Going off the 'evidence' you're willing to accept on this subject, it wouldn't surprise me if you do think that.
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You have yet to supply any evidence whatsoever that NASA didn't "let you go" at some point.

Dox said:
Anyway - we're all free to believe what we want. Just don't expect me to go along with this elaborate bollocks, which relies on the fallacy that 'too many people would need to be in on it'. I'm sure 99.9% of NASA employees go through their working lives believing they are working towards genuine missions.
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LOL.

Dox said:
You Lozaraptor will know full well about compartmentalisation.
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Yes, there were compartments in the Apollo command modules, in the lunar landers, there were tiny little compartments in the Moon Buggy for storing rocks and pieces of cheese and golf balls/tees and l'il Space Friend droppings... compartments everywhere. I'll be fascinated to see what compartments are in the Artemis lander(s).

I love a good conspiracy, trust me. I will be delighted if we can find proof that the moon landings were fake.

Alas, all the "proof" so far gets debunked via reasonable arguments and solid evidence. The "evidence" gets rinsed, every time, as do the people putting it forward for consideration. I've seen it play out, time after time after time until the only evidence provided is hearsay. He said she said they said it's fake and why would they lie?
Not only that, you have to account for the fact that no State players, no matter how hostile to the US, in all of history, have made any serious attempt to debunk either the Moon landings or the current Artemis project. This single, simple fact means that the conspiracy is beyond implausible because in order to dispute the veracity of the landings, it requires that all major powers were ignorant of the ruse, or they all conspired together. All the species of arguments that follow that path create a situation where the flea is wagging the tail that is wagging the "it's all fake" dog. Even Wayne's weird Harley doesn't have the torque to get that job done.

So which is it? Did you not get holiday pay? Weren't allowed keys to the executive washroom? It's got to be something and something big like that!
 
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Loz said:
Your data, the data you are relying on. Or did you you destroy it as an act of retaliation?

I put an emoji there but it was deleted by an angry ex-employee :mad:


Which bullshit? The bullshit put out by NASA or the bullshit put out by disgruntled ex-employees?

There are numerous reasons for them doing so - disputes over pay pay, overtime payments, bonuses, not getting the leave they wanted in order to go to Disneyland... plus there's the ones motivated by the thought of book deals, fame and the motivations arising from what the voices are telling them.

Help us all out here - why are you so angry with your ex-employer?


You have yet to supply any evidence whatsoever that NASA didn't "let you go" at some point.


LOL.


Yes, there were compartments in the Apollo command modules, in the lunar landers, there were tiny little compartments in the Moon Buggy for storing rocks and pieces of cheese and golf balls/tees and l'il Space Friend droppings... compartments everywhere. I'll be fascinated to see what compartments are in the Artemis lander(s).

I love a good conspiracy, trust me. I will be delighted if we can find proof that the moon landings were fake.

Alas, all the "proof" so far gets debunked via reasonable arguments and solid evidence. The "evidence" gets rinsed, every time, as do the people putting it forward for consideration. I've seen it play out, time after time after time until the only evidence provided is hearsay. He said she said they said it's fake and why would they lie?
Not only that, you have to account for the fact that no State players, no matter how hostile to the US, in all of history, have made any serious attempt to debunk either the Moon landings or the current Artemis project. This single, simple fact means that the conspiracy is beyond implausible because in order to dispute the veracity of the landings, it requires that all major powers were ignorant of the ruse, or they all conspired together. All the species of arguments that follow that path create a situation where the flea is wagging the tail that is wagging the "it's all fake" dog. Even Wayne's weird Harley doesn't have the torque to get that job done.

So which is it? Did you not get holiday pay? Weren't allowed keys to the executive washroom? It's got to be something and something big like that!
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What a lot of waffle.

I don't think you would be delighted - I think you're wed to this one. It's a bridge too far for you. Maybe because it's close to you - you wouldn't want to relise you've been had over this one - it would set you back too much. Just my musings on it.


The "no State players, no matter how hostile to the US..." trope comes under; 'too many people would need to be in on it'.

Convid blew that one out of the water. A few tried it, Tanzania's President for one.

And a few tried it with 9/11 - Bhutto of Pakistan and Gadaffi.

Remind me...what do those three have in common?
 
Dox said:
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What a lot of waffle.

I don't think you would be delighted - I think you're wed to this one. It's a bridge too far for you. Maybe because it's close to you - you wouldn't want to relise you've been had over this one - it would set you back too much. Just my musings on it.


The "no State players, no matter how hostile to the US..." trope comes under; 'too many people would need to be in on it'.

Convid blew that one out of the water. A few tried it, Tanzania's President for one.

And a few tried it with 9/11 - Bhutto of Pakistan and Gadaffi.

Remind me...what do those three have in common?
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"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the waffle out of thy brother's eye." — Matthew 7:1–5

Dude, I have dug into the waves of "Moon Landing it's all fake" for decades. Each time it starts to gain momentum, I look at the presented "evidence", the debunking of that evidence and the attempt to debunk the debunking. I have still to experience a "Huh?" moment. There is never a time when I am left with a lasting impression of "Well, how do they explain that?".
This groove is so well worn that I only look at it when someone comes up with something genuinely new. Which hardly ever happens.

Anyway. "State players" does not equal "too many people". There is no equivalency between the security services of a hostile leadership of a foreign power and the compartmentalisation of information you allude to. To compare them is to compare Granny Smith apples with orange light wavelengths.

Convid was a convenient story that enabled leaders to advance particular agendas in their own countries. There was nothing to be gained by any major player stepping outside of the narrative, even though different countries implemented the fiction in different ways - Sweden, Singapore, Russia, Great Britain, etc.
Compare that situation to the height of the Space Race - to suggest that the Soviet Union, who probably knew as much about what NASA was doing as NASA did, if not more, were complicit in the ruse, or somehow ignorant of it? Please.
Minor players like the Tanzania President and the three other African leaders who all died within eighteen months of each other thought they could go about the convid thing very differently ie ignore, mock or debunk it. They found out, as you say.
No. You are comparing very different scenarios - Convid where "everybody wins" and the Space Programme, where only the US wins.

9-11 was a stinking great jobby, either planned or permitted by the US deep state in order to promote the next phase of the operation. Compartmentalisation was certainly possible - we know this because the relatively small scale of the operation has many secrets still unrevealed..

I'd say the the three scenarios have almost nothing in common, in terms of goals and scope and personnel involved.

Believe me, I have conspiracy theories still to be proved and I still hope for them, one day.
My top one is proof that the Falklands War was a manufactured conflict, resulting in real and tragic casualties, the purpose of which was to ensure that Reagan and Thatch could work together to destroy the US and the UK through the promotion of globalism. Thatcher, after a disastrous first term as PM, was on her way out and there was a genuine risk that Michael Fucking Foot might have been PM in 1983. A disaster for the globalists!
Debunk that! You can't!
 
We see this very differently.

There is nothing to gain for Russia or China exposing the space hoax, compared to the decades of benefit they have had from keeping quiet about it. Russia and the US are complicit in the ISS ffs...

It's no different to the cold war - hugely profitable to both sides. Nuclear bombs is another one.
When country A says "we've got nuclear bombs" it allows other countries to say it aswell...what are they going to do, say "you can't have, they don't exist".
They don't need to work, they just need people to believe they do.

The west and the east are morphing into the glabalist structure they all want. Who won the cold war? History say's the west did - so why is this country turning communist? (by every measure and tactic forwarned by Yuri Bezmanov).

The Falklands - who knows...that's one for you to work out.

What is undeniable (though given this thread, you might try), is that those who want to control the rest of us, need us to believe we have enemies.
 
Dox said:
We see this very differently.

There is nothing to gain for Russia or China exposing the space hoax, compared to the decades of benefit they have had from keeping quiet about it. Russia and the US are complicit in the ISS ffs...

It's no different to the cold war - hugely profitable to both sides. Nuclear bombs is another one.
When country A says "we've got nuclear bombs" it allows other countries to say it aswell...what are they going to do, say "you can't have, they don't exist".
They don't need to work, they just need people to believe they do.

The west and the east are morphing into the glabalist structure they all want. Who won the cold war? History say's the west did - so why is this country turning communist? (by every measure and tactic forwarned by Yuri Bezmanov).

The Falklands - who knows...that's one for you to work out.

What is undeniable (though given this thread, you might try), is that those who want to control the rest of us, need us to believe we have enemies.
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What would you say is the likelihood that the "Moon Landing is Fake" narrative is a strategy inflicted upon us by the same people who poison us with pharmaceuticals, shit food and chemicals, who lock us down, use the MSM and popular entertainment to belittle, insult and demoralise us, take our wealth and impoverish us?

Do you think that constant pressure to disbelieve everything we see & hear, every positive thing we have ever believed in, has an effect on us?

Why would our rulers want to trample on anything and everything that might uplift us?

Huh.
 
Of course the moon is real

A Grand Day Out - Landing on the Moon - Wallace and Gromit - YouTube ...
 
Loz said:
"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the waffle out of thy brother's eye." — Matthew 7:1–5

Dude, I have dug into the waves of "Moon Landing it's all fake" for decades. Each time it starts to gain momentum, I look at the presented "evidence", the debunking of that evidence and the attempt to debunk the debunking. I have still to experience a "Huh?" moment. There is never a time when I am left with a lasting impression of "Well, how do they explain that?".
This groove is so well worn that I only look at it when someone comes up with something genuinely new. Which hardly ever happens.

Anyway. "State players" does not equal "too many people". There is no equivalency between the security services of a hostile leadership of a foreign power and the compartmentalisation of information you allude to. To compare them is to compare Granny Smith apples with orange light wavelengths.

Convid was a convenient story that enabled leaders to advance particular agendas in their own countries. There was nothing to be gained by any major player stepping outside of the narrative, even though different countries implemented the fiction in different ways - Sweden, Singapore, Russia, Great Britain, etc.
Compare that situation to the height of the Space Race - to suggest that the Soviet Union, who probably knew as much about what NASA was doing as NASA did, if not more, were complicit in the ruse, or somehow ignorant of it? Please.
Minor players like the Tanzania President and the three other African leaders who all died within eighteen months of each other thought they could go about the convid thing very differently ie ignore, mock or debunk it. They found out, as you say.
No. You are comparing very different scenarios - Convid where "everybody wins" and the Space Programme, where only the US wins.

9-11 was a stinking great jobby, either planned or permitted by the US deep state in order to promote the next phase of the operation. Compartmentalisation was certainly possible - we know this because the relatively small scale of the operation has many secrets still unrevealed..

I'd say the the three scenarios have almost nothing in common, in terms of goals and scope and personnel involved.

Believe me, I have conspiracy theories still to be proved and I still hope for them, one day.
My top one is proof that the Falklands War was a manufactured conflict, resulting in real and tragic casualties, the purpose of which was to ensure that Reagan and Thatch could work together to destroy the US and the UK through the promotion of globalism. Thatcher, after a disastrous first term as PM, was on her way out and there was a genuine risk that Michael Fucking Foot might have been PM in 1983. A disaster for the globalists!
Debunk that! You can't!
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Pretty sure that Foot said he was going to put Thatcher on the moon and Thatcher said she should set Foot on the moon. Hope this helps.
 
Loz said:
What would you say is the likelihood that the "Moon Landing is Fake" narrative is a strategy inflicted upon us by the same people who poison us with pharmaceuticals, shit food and chemicals, who lock us down, use the MSM and popular entertainment to belittle, insult and demoralise us, take our wealth and impoverish us?

Do you think that constant pressure to disbelieve everything we see & hear, every positive thing we have ever believed in, has an effect on us?

Why would our rulers want to trample on anything and everything that might uplift us?

Huh.
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No that’s really clutching at straws now.
 
Dox said:
No that’s really clutching at straws now.
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"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the straws out of thy brother's eye." — Matthew 7:1–5
 
Loz said:
"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the straws out of thy brother's eye." — Matthew 7:1–5
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Ahh, so you're a man of faith. That figures.
 
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