What have you done on your bike today?

Last night I went to the storage unit to start and run the Supersport, and took a couple of bits to keep there over winter.
Forgot the bike key. It’s 5 miles away so thought sod it, I’ll go tonight on the way to boxing.

So started her up - first time no prob. I must’ve pulled the unit key out with the bike key and it dropped down the fairing. So just closed it up and I’ll have to go and take the fairings off after work. Great.

I was supposed to go to the unit and strip the fairings…but someone at work had a better idea.

So we went to the pub for a few drinks…I’m not drinking after this weekend until the fight, so the timing was right 😁

I’d already phoned my storage guy and asked him to lock it with their key, so all good 👍
 
Installed heated grips for my Gaylord hands. It's gettin' chilly in the mornings, we're even getting frost advisories.

1st time going for this option. Lady K says I must be getting old. I'll probably wonder why I've waited this long. No extra parts leftover for once, and they work.
 
Installed heated grips for my Gaylord hands. It's gettin' chilly in the mornings, we're even getting frost advisories.

1st time going for this option. Lady K says I must be getting old. I'll probably wonder why I've waited this long. No extra parts leftover for once, and they work.
The grit lorries are out in the Derwent valley. When night time temperatures drop below 5 degrees out come the trucks, the road turns white and makes a crunching noise under your tyres. It's started and will continue until mid April.
Haven't taken the Rocket off the road yet. Had it serviced last week, I'm going to give it a thorough clean and ACF50 treatment this morning then I'll hang fire til the end of the month in case we get a mild dry spell, then the battery comes off and comes into the house to join the Optimiser rotation.

Incidentally, battery voltage and starting power is a problem on Triumph Rocket 3's (and on my Streetfighter because of what I've had done to it). That huge engine really needs a car-sized battery to spin it up, but you can't fit a car battery on a bike, so it's got about the biggest bike battery there is but it's working right at the limit, especially when it's cold. So if the voltage drops even slightly the bike won't start. I've had this a couple of times. Push the button and you get a click, the dash flickers and the engine doesn't turn. Nothing wrong with battery health or the charging system, it just means the voltage has dropped too far. At lest the Rocket doesn't have a ball and ramp starter sprag but a car-style starter motor so abortive starts aren't going to do any damage (as they have on the Streetfighter).
I was talking to the dealership about battery care yesterday and they said the best policy is not to leave the battery on an Optimiser all the time but to give it a 24 hour charge every week. If the bike is locked away in a garage or a container, put the charger on a digital time switch so it's not running all the time but clicking in every week. I intend to follow this policy on all my batteries as see how I get on.
 
I never use an optimiser and thankfully never had an issue. I run my bikes through winter - just pick the times and get them warmed through.
I might not run them for 4 or 5 weeks.
 
The grit lorries are out in the Derwent valley. When night time temperatures drop below 5 degrees out come the trucks, the road turns white and makes a crunching noise under your tyres. It's started and will continue until mid April.
Haven't taken the Rocket off the road yet. Had it serviced last week, I'm going to give it a thorough clean and ACF50 treatment this morning then I'll hang fire til the end of the month in case we get a mild dry spell, then the battery comes off and comes into the house to join the Optimiser rotation.

Incidentally, battery voltage and starting power is a problem on Triumph Rocket 3's (and on my Streetfighter because of what I've had done to it). That huge engine really needs a car-sized battery to spin it up, but you can't fit a car battery on a bike, so it's got about the biggest bike battery there is but it's working right at the limit, especially when it's cold. So if the voltage drops even slightly the bike won't start. I've had this a couple of times. Push the button and you get a click, the dash flickers and the engine doesn't turn. Nothing wrong with battery health or the charging system, it just means the voltage has dropped too far. At lest the Rocket doesn't have a ball and ramp starter sprag but a car-style starter motor so abortive starts aren't going to do any damage (as they have on the Streetfighter).
I was talking to the dealership about battery care yesterday and they said the best policy is not to leave the battery on an Optimiser all the time but to give it a 24 hour charge every week. If the bike is locked away in a garage or a container, put the charger on a digital time switch so it's not running all the time but clicking in every week. I intend to follow this policy on all my batteries as see how I get on.

Would something like exi's cable kits help?
 
Rode the Rocket 3 into Triumph Newcastle this morning for a service. They'd promised me a loan bike to get me home. I was hoping for a 1200 Speed Triple or maybe a Thruxton but they gave me this object:

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What to make of it?
Well, jumping on it straight from the Rocket I did notice a few differences. For a start it's red and my Rocket is black. I noticed that immediately. The 400X is also appreciably smaller in size and it hasn't got any heated grips. That's noticeable too in Newcastle in the middle of October. And it seems to be somewhat down on power. The Rocket has 167 ft/lb of torque and I don't think this does.
I live the other side of Consett which is a good 25 miles away. I'd dropped the Rocket off just after 9:00 and they said it should be ready by 2 pm. That's five hours to make a round trip of over fifty miles. Four hours in fact, as what with doing the paperwork, grabbing a coffee and having a chin wag with a chap on a 900 Tiger, I didn't leave until 10 am. I did wonder whether it wouldn't be quicker to walk. Or take some sort of bus.

Anyway, hoping for the best, I sat on it and it managed to take my weight. I turned the key (a proper one, which was nice), prodded a button and a small mechanical device somewhere beneath the tank shuddered a little and began to make a noise like a pond pump. I set off, hoping there wouldn't be any strong cross winds over Redheugh bridge or I might end up in the Tyne drifting towards South Shields, which is not the best way to get to Consett from central Newcastle.

I've never put a saddle on a housefly and taken one for a ride, but I now have a fair idea of what it might be like. Nimble doesn't really describe it. Especially after the Rocket which has the turning circle of an oil tanker and only marginally less weight. The 440X is a sweet little thing, lithe to the point of weightlessness, yet still manages to possess a decent amount of road presence. I didn't feel vulnerable or in everyone's way, which you can do on small bikes. The pond pump cleared its bilges and began to make a very pleasing burble and the bike took off with unexpected eagerness.
Through town traffic it had plenty of bottom end and out of town it picked up to 70 mph with alacrity and more than kept up with the pace of the traffic. It also did it with remarkably little vibration. There's a faint tingle through the seat at around 6000 rpm but it's barely noticeable and nothing at all through the bars and pegs. It sounds like a proper single but feels as smooth as a twin.

Brakes are excellent. Admittedly they don't have much to do but they do it very well. And there's plenty of room. I'm six foot tall but didn't feel at all cramped in the saddle or lacking in leg room.
It nipped around the back roads, changing direction like a water boatman, with a power delivery best described as willing. It's a bit like a Jack Russel terrier. It isn't fast and with the best will in the world it's never going to keep up with next door's greyhound, but no one's told the Jack Russel and it's going to give it a damn good go. The suspension is basic but very well set up. I didn't feel anything needed changing, it wasn't lacking in damping and gave the bike a poise you'd expect from a bigger and more expensive machine. I reckon you could give it a good ragging round the back lanes and have some proper fun on it.

It has six gears but feels like it could easily cope with another. Sixth comes up very quickly, even in town, and it pulls in top without bogging or getting breathless.

When I got home and took off my lid to open the lock-up, I was surprised by how pleasing the exhaust note was as it sat there ticking over. It's got a proper boff-boff-boff of a trad single and the stock can doesn't muffle it out of existence. With an aftermarket pipe it would sound proper nice.
I also noticed how well finished and screwed together it is. Some bits better, in fact, than the Rocket which costs £19,000 more - such as the sleek and solid shiny chrome fuel fitter cover, against the Rocket's drab and cheap looking aluminium afterthought. How they manage to produce this bike for under six grand I've no idea. The chap with the 900 Tiger I was talking to at the dealership had said he'd thought about buying one for his daughter as she's taken a shine to them and had just passed her test. If I see him when I take it back I will tell him to pull his wallet out and get one bought. She'll love it and it would make a cracking first bike.

Would I buy one? No. I haven't really got a use for it and though full of character and sprightly to ride it is a bit small for my tastes. But, if they made a 650 version with 50+ bhp I very well might. It would make a grand little thudder for bimbling around country lanes on a Sunday afternoon.
One thing I do know is Enfield will have to up their game. I can't see why anyone would buy a 350 Bullet when they could have one of these for another £1500.
@WAYNE weigh that Bangalore banger in for scrap and get yourself a wee Trumpet.

I'm actually quite looking forward to the ride back into toon. Good job done Triumph.
What a great write up Gim 👌. It seems there’s good reason why the little Triumph 400 & 400X are currently the UK’s top selling bike month after month after month.
 
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Picked this up!
 
Gave the Rocket a shampoo, set and blow dry and applied a liberal embrocation of ACF50 and polish ready for the winter lay-up. Hopefully I'll get another ride on it but there's no knowing up here.

Would have taken a picture but I didn't as I don't take my phone everywhere with me cos I is a grownup.
So here is an old one. Still looks the same but it's now shinier and in a different place.
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Did you use to own a Scrambler Gimlet :unsure:
What a Ducati Scrambler or a proper one?
I had a Garelli 80 Tiger when I was 14 and it was a pile of shit. And it's to my lasting regret that the arsehole mate of my brother's who sold it to me for 40 quid and took all my hard-earned lawn-mowing money off me never did get the broken nose he deserved. On the other hand, he's now fat and bald and I'm not. Kharma.
 
The grit lorries are out in the Derwent valley. When night time temperatures drop below 5 degrees out come the trucks, the road turns white and makes a crunching noise under your tyres. It's started and will continue until mid April.
Haven't taken the Rocket off the road yet. Had it serviced last week, I'm going to give it a thorough clean and ACF50 treatment this morning then I'll hang fire til the end of the month in case we get a mild dry spell, then the battery comes off and comes into the house to join the Optimiser rotation.

Incidentally, battery voltage and starting power is a problem on Triumph Rocket 3's (and on my Streetfighter because of what I've had done to it). That huge engine really needs a car-sized battery to spin it up, but you can't fit a car battery on a bike, so it's got about the biggest bike battery there is but it's working right at the limit, especially when it's cold. So if the voltage drops even slightly the bike won't start. I've had this a couple of times. Push the button and you get a click, the dash flickers and the engine doesn't turn. Nothing wrong with battery health or the charging system, it just means the voltage has dropped too far. At lest the Rocket doesn't have a ball and ramp starter sprag but a car-style starter motor so abortive starts aren't going to do any damage (as they have on the Streetfighter).
I was talking to the dealership about battery care yesterday and they said the best policy is not to leave the battery on an Optimiser all the time but to give it a 24 hour charge every week. If the bike is locked away in a garage or a container, put the charger on a digital time switch so it's not running all the time but clicking in every week. I intend to follow this policy on all my batteries as see how I get on.
Most modern battery tenders (of which, Optimisers are a famous brand) do all this automatically. The do not continuously charge the battery. Instead they cycle through charge, monitor, load(discharge) and wait states.

Does the manufacturer recommend a lithium solution for this machine?
If so this punches the highest energy density for weight and would ensure better capacity for starting.
Upgrading the charge and starting cables should also help.

Other cabling options also exist, including DIY.
 
My Ducati already has the in-house option fitted. Nothing unsavory about them but they do make the bike turn over in a Yorkshire accent.
I will send a messenger pigeon south to enquire whether a kit is available form the Rocket.

I'm not interested in lithium. I've been told by several people who do this stuff for a living that you should never charge a lithium battery on a tender charger designed for lead-acid batteries as they require a charging cycle that's the opposite of lead acid batteries. I'm not buying a special battery and a special charger just for one bike.
Besides, I'm not convinced there isn't a starting glitch on some pre-2024 R3's as I know of someone on the R3 forum who rigged up a high capacity car battery on his bike as an experiment and the problem persisted.
But I don't think mine has that problem. I've had two no-starts but one was just after the bike was delivered from the dealer with corroded terminals and loose leads. It had probably sat uncharged in the dealership and then fired up just to move the bike around without giving it a proper run, which will deplete any battery. I had the same trouble with a Landrover Freelander 2 I bought. Bought from a dealer, been sitting in a showroom with people locking and unlocking it, waking it up and shutting it down, starting and stopping the engine without charging it or driving it so the shit Halfords battery that was in it became weakened setting off all sorts of sensors that will register faults if they don't receive sufficient voltage. Stuck a high power Varta battery in it and problem solved.

The other time my Rocket wouldn't start was when it had sat unused for a fortnight. But I had fired it up a few times to move it. Every start takes a lot of juice and if it's not ridden or charged that's going to deplete the battery.
 
My Ducati already has the in-house option fitted. Nothing unsavory about them but they do make the bike turn over in a Yorkshire accent.
I will send a messenger pigeon south to enquire whether a kit is available form the Rocket.

I'm not interested in lithium. I've been told by several people who do this stuff for a living that you should never charge a lithium battery on a tender charger designed for lead-acid batteries as they require a charging cycle that's the opposite of lead acid batteries. I'm not buying a special battery and a special charger just for one bike.
Besides, I'm not convinced there isn't a starting glitch on some pre-2024 R3's as I know of someone on the R3 forum who rigged up a high capacity car battery on his bike as an experiment and the problem persisted.
But I don't think mine has that problem. I've had two no-starts but one was just after the bike was delivered from the dealer with corroded terminals and loose leads. It had probably sat uncharged in the dealership and then fired up just to move the bike around without giving it a proper run, which will deplete any battery. I had the same trouble with a Landrover Freelander 2 I bought. Bought from a dealer, been sitting in a showroom with people locking and unlocking it, waking it up and shutting it down, starting and stopping the engine without charging it or driving it so the shit Halfords battery that was in it became weakened setting off all sorts of sensors that will register faults if they don't receive sufficient voltage. Stuck a high power Varta battery in it and problem solved.

The other time my Rocket wouldn't start was when it had sat unused for a fortnight. But I had fired it up a few times to move it. Every start takes a lot of juice and if it's not ridden or charged that's going to deplete the battery.
You are quote right not to charge a lithium battery on a standard lead acid charger/tender.
Q: Does the rocket support a lithium battery, i.e. the manufacturer lists one?
 
You are quote right not to charge a lithium battery on a standard lead acid charger/tender.
Q: Does the rocket support a lithium battery, i.e. the manufacturer lists one?
They're certainly available for the 2.5L Rocket but the options are limited (there's loads for the old 2.3L bikes).

Whether Triumph approve them and how they might affect the warranty, I don't know but the dealership didn't recommend them. I didn't ask the question because I had no plans to get one. Rightly or wrongly I just don't trust them.
There are Triumph branded lithium batteries for the 1200 twins and triples but nothing listed that I can find for the Rockets.

I am looking into whether the stock battery really is the most powerful lead acid available.
 
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Why not start the bikes up regularly and warm them through - do much more good than just keeping the battery topped up.
 
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Why not start the bikes up regularly and warm them through - do much more good than just keeping the battery topped up.
I've never liked just starting bikes unless I'm going to ride them and spin up the gearbox, which is where the condensation will build. The only exception was the Harley because it had a separate engine and gearbox.
Also, I'm unsure how long you have to keep it running to effectively charge the battery when it's ticking over. You've got to replace the charge used in starting it first, and the Rocket gets very hot very quickly. Within about two minutes the fans are on.
 
My bikes live outdoors all year round (well they did until I got the unit, and I've never used a trickle charger. Ideally if the roads are dry and unsalted I'll give them a run, maybe just 5 miles, but enough to get all the fluids circulated. If there's an extended period of wet or salt, I'll just run them til hot.

The only time I've had a battery fail was an F800 BMW that was stood for 6 weeks without starting over Dec / Jan, and it bump started.
 
My bikes live outdoors all year round (well they did until I got the unit, and I've never used a trickle charger. Ideally if the roads are dry and unsalted I'll give them a run, maybe just 5 miles, but enough to get all the fluids circulated. If there's an extended period of wet or salt, I'll just run them til hot.

The only time I've had a battery fail was an F800 BMW that was stood for 6 weeks without starting over Dec / Jan, and it bump started.
I used to do the same when I lived down south. My bikes never went into full hibernation. I'd always get a few days on them through the winter to keep the juices flowing.
It's trickier up in the north east because of the amount of salt on the roads. It's not so bad if you live in town or near the coast, but I'm in the North Pennines and they've started gritting here already and they won't let up til April.
I've been driving behind bikes on cold bright winter days when the roads are dry and they put up a great cloud of white salt dust behind them.
 
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